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Post by Shadrio on May 23, 2011 21:24:57 GMT -5
Blablabla No originality Blablabla My thoughts. Pretty much like most of your Smash ideas. That, and JN's stuff outclasses this. Oh, well. And I'm surprised I didn't know the new name of Zoroark's signiture attack... I OHKO'd every Zoroark in the story mode before they got a chance to even attack... |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on May 23, 2011 21:42:38 GMT -5
Seriously Arcadenik, do you ever focus more on other games besides Smash Bros?
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Post by Arcadenik on May 23, 2011 22:42:42 GMT -5
Really, Boo? I post on the board that is dedicated to the Smash series and you jump on me?
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Post by Boo Destroyer on May 23, 2011 22:54:49 GMT -5
Well, guess I put it wrongly. I meant not mainly on this board. At times you do tend to get a bit far into it in other discussions, mainly where it doesn't belong.
Now, that isn't bad or anything. Just a noted habit.
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Post by Manspeed on May 24, 2011 14:18:02 GMT -5
Boo, leave the guy alone. This is the Smash Bros. board and you're bitching about him....talking about Smash Bros.
On the other hand, Arcadenik, you do come off as more vested in Smash Bros. than anything else. The last thing you said in the Project Cafe thread is testament to this.
Either way, there's no cause for animosity.
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Post by shauneben on Jun 4, 2011 17:15:06 GMT -5
I think Zoroak would be a great player to add to the SSB roster. He would easily replace Lucario, sorry Lucario fans  , he's not staying most likely. I think the character mimic is kind of a stretch. It's a complex but creative idea and I think it would take a lot of time and thought into making it not confusing and messing with the gameplay. Even though mimicing and transforming is Zoroak's specialty, it takes the complexity of the gameplay too far. I think you should just stick with regular attacks for his special moves and the final smash be Night Daze. Otherwise, Zoroak would be a great add to the roster. I mean, I would personally play as him... |
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Post by limelight788 on Jan 16, 2012 14:38:14 GMT -5
Not to sound like a jerk, but I am probably one of the very few here that is against Zoroark's inclusion. I've seen move sets of him and what he could do, but he flat-out doesn't interest me. Especially since I would find yet another humanoid Pokemon to be repetitive.
What I also don't understand is why Lucario needs to go if we get a 5th gen Pokemon. Is it that hard to make them co-exist? If Zoroark ends up replacing Lucario, I will be one unhappy camper.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jan 16, 2012 15:19:31 GMT -5
Better judgment notwithstanding, I'm going to respond because I have don't have much to do since I apparently have the day off, and am therefore bored as hell.
I actually agree, Lime, I'm not thrilled at the idea of Zoroark. But your reasons are kinda silly: Repetition isn't the issue, it's that Zoroark's whole illusion thing doesn't translate to Smash well, and that's kinda a major point about him in the first place.
That said: Lucario will probably abdicate his throne for a Gen. 5 Pokemon. It might sound like crap, but really, that's how it goes. Gen. 5 is out right now. Gen. 4 is not. Lucario isn't relevant anymore, he's gonna get shunted out. I'm a bit surprised (and delighted) that Jigglypuff lasted this long, but she seems to be the exception to the rule. In all other cases, the newer version replaced the older one. Roy and Pichu, for example When Melee came out, it was Sword of Seals and Gold/Silver that were relevant. Time passed. Games were released. Brawl came out, and they were gone, replaced by the more relevant Ike and Lucario, since Path of Radiance and Diamond/Pearl were relevant. When SSB4 is out, they'll go too, presumably to be replaced by representatives from Awakening and Black/White. When more time passes, they, too, will be replaced. That's how it goes.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jan 16, 2012 17:55:57 GMT -5
Why do people get so hung up on an apparent 'precedence' that occurred only once out of 3 games? It doesn't prove anything or make anything a certainty. Do you know what happened in Brawl? A Pokemon character with a unique moveset that had been introduced in the previous Smash game was removed. Furthermore, a character based on a Nintendo console accessory was introduced. Therefore, using the process of one game = a pattern, we can assume that in the next game, Pokemon Trainer will be eliminated and the Power Glove will be made playable. PATTERNS. THEY'RE FOOLPROOF.
Alternate text: Fuck Zoroark. Scraggy for brawl.
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Post by TV Eye on Jan 16, 2012 21:06:00 GMT -5
I would actually rather see Genesect...and who knows, maybe by the time Smash 4 is released, there will be a movie that makes him relevant.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jan 16, 2012 22:28:09 GMT -5
My vote's on Victini. Tiny little bad-ass nuke rabbit? YES.
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Jan 17, 2012 1:54:20 GMT -5
Really the only reason people think Zoroark's certain to replace Lucario is because it's also a bipedal furry. Remember how everybody was so sure that Gen3 Mewtwo thing became playable in Brawl before that
I kinda want Mewtwo to return with a non-suck moveset, but I'd be cool with the purple decepticon too
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Post by limelight788 on Jan 18, 2012 22:10:17 GMT -5
That said: Lucario will probably abdicate his throne for a Gen. 5 Pokemon. It might sound like crap, but really, that's how it goes. Gen. 5 is out right now. Gen. 4 is not. Lucario isn't relevant anymore, he's gonna get shunted out. I'm a bit surprised (and delighted) that Jigglypuff lasted this long, but she seems to be the exception to the rule. In all other cases, the newer version replaced the older one. Roy and Pichu, for example When Melee came out, it was Sword of Seals and Gold/Silver that were relevant. Time passed. Games were released. Brawl came out, and they were gone, replaced by the more relevant Ike and Lucario, since Path of Radiance and Diamond/Pearl were relevant. When SSB4 is out, they'll go too, presumably to be replaced by representatives from Awakening and Black/White. When more time passes, they, too, will be replaced. That's how it goes. Cuts have only really happened once so far, so we can't really guarantee anything yet. Roy was planned for Brawl, but was cut due to time constraints. Pichu was probably cut since not many people cared about it. I think it is likely that Plusle & Minun (who was likely part of the Forbidden Seven) was intended as the replacement, but they scrapped that idea. So I'm not really thinking that Pichu or Roy were ever intended on being replaced by Lucario or Ike. I do agree in that I would love to see Victini in Smash. It's my personal pick for a 5th gen rep.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Jan 19, 2012 1:49:55 GMT -5
Here's the bottom line. Roy and Pichu were cut and were not relevant anymore. Ike and Lucario were put in when they were. This is undeniable. Whether or not they were meant to serve as a replacement doesn't matter. What matters is that they serve that role regardless.
Still, the whole "Forbidden 7" thing backs me up on this. If "Pra-Mai" or whatever was supposed to be Plusle & Minun, as rumor holds, and then they didn't get put in, something happened. I mean, Brawl was under construction since before Lucario was introduced officially. So what are the most likely reasons that Sakurai's team would say "You know, let's just go with the Saiyan Anubis instead." The reasons amount to "They started heavy programming and it proved too glitchy" and "Diamond & Pearl came out." Olimar and the Ice Climbers are playable, so it's not likely that Plusle & Minun were all that huge of a problem in programming. But not being relevant anymore? That's a bit more likely.
Now, is there any legitimate confirmation? No. So we can only assume that Plusle & Minun weren't put in, and that Roy and Pichu were cut, because they were no longer relevant. That's the only theory that seems to hold much water.
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Jan 19, 2012 2:30:24 GMT -5
Crazy 8bitretroshit theory: they never planned to replace Roy and Mewtwo, but memory issues got a bunch of characters, including them, cut out of the roster since apparently some SSE intro video involving a fight between Dedede and Meta Knight didn't even fit on the disc anymore. Lucario and Ike were part of the main SSE gameplay so the other two got cut instead.
Then why Wolf as a new clonish character instead of Roy? Because this is a half-assed theory
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, he's not staying most likely. I think the character mimic is kind of a stretch. It's a complex but creative idea and I think it would take a lot of time and thought into making it not confusing and messing with the gameplay. Even though mimicing and transforming is Zoroak's specialty, it takes the complexity of the gameplay too far. I think you should just stick with regular attacks for his special moves and the final smash be Night Daze. Otherwise, Zoroak would be a great add to the roster. I mean, I would personally play as him...
