Post by Boo Destroyer on Dec 17, 2015 19:34:13 GMT -5
The amount of Fire Emblem in this game really has gotten out of hand, but I still don't understand why anyone would be surprised at Mario always getting the most. It always will. Mario is Nintendo. There seems to be an unwritten rule that no other series is allowed to surpass it.
Because Fire Emblem is like Pokémon in the sense that it has a massive cast of characters to choose from, with the added bonus of IS lacking TPC's merciless bureaucracy.
Yeah, it's as if they don't even want Pokemon to be part of Nintendo anymore. (No sound effects for the Pokemon costumes in SMM, not present in Woolly World...) If TPC really did have their way, Pokemon could be purged entirely from Smash 5.
Yet they only picked the protagonists of the first game, and the most recent games at the time of each Smash's release. Such diversity.
Just like how they always seem to pick the Pokemon who TPC want.
But let's put aside all that. What did you honestly expect from Sakurai? Did you really think he was going to add in a forgotten character like Black Shadow, King K. Rool or Krystal over a modern character from an active and popular series? In 2015 the most successful Nintendo games have been Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Fire Emblem Fates, and Happy Home Designer.
Mario doesn't really have any major characters left to add except for Daisy I suppose. AC has Tom and Lottie but I don't think that Sakurai sees them as being fighting fit. Inklings would have made a fine choice for the game, but I would imagine that like the Ice Climbers, the 3DS was an issue preventing them from being added. That leaves Fates with the best potential for a newcomer, and as shown on Tuesday they made something like no other fighter in the game.
And so with the introduction of Cloud into Smash, we got a new balance patch. Any thoughts on the matter?
Personally, the fact that Shulk got more boosts to power, kept the 1:1 sameness between Marth and Lucina and no buffs to Samus, Zelda or Jigglypuff really doesn't rub me the right way. But hey, Ganondorf and Mewtwo got massive buffs, so I guess I'm happy.
What did you honestly expect from Sakurai? Did you really think he was going to add in a forgotten character like Black Shadow, King K. Rool or Krystal over a modern character from an active and popular series? In 2015 the most successful Nintendo games have been Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Fire Emblem Fates, and Happy Home Designer.
Before we even get into anything else, that's goddamned wrong. King K. Rool and Krystal are both rather well known, moreso by far than most Fire Emblem characters in K. Rool's case, and even if not,, Fire Emblem is most certainly not a top tier Nintendo game like Mario or Zelda, by sales or by name recognition. Hell, if it wasn't for Smash Bros. there's a very real chance that the series would still be Japan-only.
Meanwhile, even if you're going to say "Okay, King K. Rool isn't a modern character," and hell, even if you can show evidence that Donkey Kong's sales have been lagging behind Fire Emblem's (which I will admit is true for Fates vs. Tropical Freeze opening week, but is certainly not true for total sales ever; Awakening is the only game in the series which has even made a million sales, while every DKC game has done so easily)* you still have to accept that Donkey Kong is an active and popular series, and it is certainly much more important to Nintendo's history than Fire Emblem.
So if not K. Rool, why not Dixie Kong? If not Krystal, why not Impa? If not Black Shadow, why not Toad? It's not like people have forgotten about them and they've been in games lately; Dixie Kong was just in Tropical Freeze, Impa was just in both OoT3DS and Skyward Sword, and Toad...well, Captain Toad, Super Mario 3D World, the New Super Mario games...I could go on. The point is, the Fire Emblem love Sakurai's dumping into Smash Bros. has reached the point of "Ridiculously excessive" and it really does seem like a lot of bigger name franchises are getting the shaft because of it.
Post by nocturnal YL on Dec 25, 2015 0:49:45 GMT -5
...Because Sakurai wanted a new character? New, as in 2016-new. That leaves pretty much only a few games as options: besides Fire Emblem Fates, we have Xenoblade X, Hyrule Warriors (I'll admit that I'm disappointed at the lack of further Zelda or Xenoblade characters), Star Fox Zero, Super Mario Maker, and Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE. Or Zelda Wii U if they want to look that far.
I suspect the reason the Corrin is picked is because there aren't that much competition in the first place. Corrin wins inthe uniqueness department (again, why they didn't pick Xenoblade X or Hyrule Warriors is beyond me, but maybe they wanted someone from exactly February 2016), while the other games have their playable characters already overlapping with Smash (Fox from Star Fox, Mario from Super Mario Maker...).
As for the traditionally popular contestants among the hardcore western fans, I think it's unfortunate that they're aiming at characters who are either very old or very recent, but the ones in between are rarely chosen when it comes to adding characters from already-in-Smash series. But that's not really a reason to turn this into a series war.
I'd say the whole debate is putting too much focus on characters and not on anything else, but that's for another discussion.
Shrike, it would've helped if you didn't go with VGChartz as your source. >.>
Would you prefer it if I posted every sales chart I was referring to? Because I can and will, not that it'd make a difference, since VGChartz isn't the only source saying "Fire Emblem has exactly one game which has ever crossed the million-sales mark." That's just the one I chose because of how easy it was to find back-up for the claim, in that I can just type in the name I need and hit Enter.
And again, even if I didn't source VGChartz, hell, even if I didn't source, period, that doesn't change the fact that Donkey Kong gets consistently shafted despite its importance to Nintendo as a whole while Japan-only-for-a-decade Fire Emblem is being treated like it's as emblematic of a Nintendo franchise as freakin' Mario. It's not, and to act like Fire Emblem needs so much representation while the real money-makers, the franchises everyone knows and loves, is absurd in the extreme. I called it out to Earthbound/Mother fans in Brawl and now I'm calling it out to Fire Emblem fans in SSB4: Your franchise is over-represented, stop acting like it isn't.
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