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Post by Smashchu on Oct 17, 2008 13:08:06 GMT -5
I read the article. And Wii Music is not a game where you make music, the music is already made, now you just waggle to it. Good sir, you suffer from core-idice. You see games in a strict boundary. Wii Music is about making music, and enjoying it. The song are suppose to be altered. You see, Matt's problem was he was just tried to hit the notes. The notes are few with many gaps. He was suppose to make his own notes. It's not just altering songs, but there is also a jam session mode where you can simply play the instruments. Heck, the main mode of the game is called "jam".
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 10:13:58 GMT -5
Indeed. Wii Music is not a game but a Fisher Price toy. I've seen similar thing where a little baby hits or wiggles something and music comes out. That's what Wii Music is. No, Wii Music is the real dog. The picture isn't necessarily about Wii Music. The point is sometimes gamers see games that are just easy (the plastic dog), but that's not what they want. If it was, then third party games would be doing a lot better then they are now. I comes from this article, which I suggest you guys read. I'm not trying to insult anyone mind you, but the truth is that people often mix up these titles and use them without understanding them. I assume that is what is going on here. Guitar Hero and Wii Music are not related despite the fact people do so. Guitar Hero is for casual players and is a rhythm game, where Wii Music is for non-gamers and is a music game (as you can actually make music).
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 10:11:54 GMT -5
CrappyCaptureDevice is a YouTube user who made a load of videos about where stuff originally came from in Melee - mainly character moves. Some of them were highly questionable.I'm not convinced by the Bowser thing yet, but it seems as good a place to start as any Yeah, that's true. Of course, he has some good things as well. He's not as analytical or as much of a perfectionist as you Fry. This is why NinDB works, but it's not to say his method fails either.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 10:08:33 GMT -5
Krystal is a bland stock character whose introduction coincided with the series going rapidly downhill, sales getting worse, reviews getting worse... My question isn't "Why should she be in?" but "Where the hell are all these Krystal fans coming from?"You may not have said it directly, but you defiantly implied it. From www.thefreedictionary.com/coincidedCoincided: 2. To happen at the same time or during the same period. Krystal's introduction coincided with the decline of the series. This phrase does not in any way say, or even imply, that Krystal caused this decline, just that they both happened at the same time. If you're going to accuse someone of saying something, I would suggest you actually check those word's meaning. The point I think has been missed. Look at the quote again. He is blaming Krystal for the decline, or perhaps he is saying the character sucks becuase the franchise does. Either way, the comparison is more then just two events happening at the same time. If it were, then the statement could have no meaning, and would just be rambling. Coincided can also mean "To correspond exactly; be identical." You looked only at the definition of the word, but I am looking at the whole thing. If what you say is true, then why does the quote exist?
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 8:54:13 GMT -5
Koopaul, you're being a major dickwad. I never blamed Krystal for Star Fox going downhill. I blamed her for being a bland character, and that going hand in hand with two sucky Star Fox games (and one good one that everyone says sucks for no good reason). Krystal is a bland stock character whose introduction coincided with the series going rapidly downhill, sales getting worse, reviews getting worse... My question isn't "Why should she be in?" but "Where the hell are all these Krystal fans coming from?"You may not have said it directly, but you defiantly implied it. On the rare hate, I think a lot steams from other places. I haven't heard it here, but other places. And Fry, this is a great situation of the pot calling the keddle black. You are being just as much of a "dickwad" as you claim Koopaul is. You have said too often that Krystal suck. Yes, wonderful. Yes, you have yet to say why she sucks. I guess she is a stock character becuase Fry says so. The discussion has gone smoothly with everyone giving valid opinions except for you. You gave a reason why Sakurai might have chosen Wolf, then said My question isn't "Why should she be in?" but "Where the hell are all these Krystal fans coming from?"When not a few post above you Dasher Misire said -Krystal would be respect to Rare and Dinosaur Planet. She is, after all, the living memory of that mutilated game. -Krystal would be another of the scarce female characters. -Krystal is one of the leads, and she has a bigger role than Wolf. Wolf had a role as leader of an enforcing rival group in 64, vanished for the next game, showed up again with a big role in Assault so there's his biggest role. Command he's in there on one of the MANY split paths, I hear, while Krystal's a key piece of the story and one of the driving points behind Fox's feelings, ja? -More people wanted her in. Hell, more people EXPECTED her in. -A more original moveset. Staff, the staff's magic, maybe some grenades and things involving her pterodactyl friend?So the burden of proof is on you, not anyone else. Everyone has given a reason or reason why the character should not, but your is "character sucks" which pretty much translates into "I don't like her" which isn't the point (and if it were the case, you could just say, "I don't like her and that's my opinion"). Not to mention, you brought it back when commenting on a totally irrelevant post. Fry, your opinion is very one sided, arrogant, and misinformed, something that is unbecoming of you both as an admin and as your normal objective self. I can agree with the "You don't know Sakurai thing" but otherwise, I think it's uncalled for. I've heard that a lot. Part of it, and my justification for it, is popularity. Starfox has enjoyed a large cast in Brawl and has a grewat support from the fanbase. Of course, Boo Destroyer's philosophy can be applied here and suggest that characters are not the only part of representation. [/quote]But they're both good choices really.[/quote] Thus, my dilemma.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 8:31:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'll bother beating it with all the Helpers. That seems like an exercise in pain... I just did it with Plasma Wisp. Charged shots and no gravity? It's Super Easy Mode. Everyone says Plasma is the best, but I usually don't do as well with it as other abilities. Not that I suck with it. But I found some others easier to use (namely Hammer).
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 8:30:13 GMT -5
That's MAN-FROG, Game n00b. That's why I called you Frog-Man, Frog-Man.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 16, 2008 8:23:05 GMT -5
Other sites such as 1up.com seem to have contadicting articles on Wii Music. It appears that IGN just can't understand this game or thinks that this is a game for the hardcore and needs to be like Guitar Hero or Rock Band. Guitar Hero and Rock Band aren't for the hardcore either. 'Casual' gamers are able to handle those games fine. I honestly feel that Nintendo is completely underestimating the skill level of its 'casual' gamers and are giving them absolutely nothing of value since they believe they won't be able to handle it. Well, you used "casual" wrong. Not a big deal, everyone does. Here it is Hardcore-These guys are super cereal. They are the most likely to spend more time one a message board then playing the games they talk about. They greatly wait the next big sequel and love aspects like graphics, story, and depth matter the most to them. They usually own multiple consoles, and can play games for hours (or be on message boards). Feel strong about game as an art. Big on online (almost a must for them). Play PC games a lot. Casual-Gamers who play games, but play them as a hobby. This group IS NOT the target audience Nintendo is going after. They sometimes buy multiple consoles, but may be content with one. They play games as a hobby rather then a way of life. They enjoy complex games, but can also enjoy simpler games. They love multiplayer games they can play with friends. They enjoy games with a medium difficulty. If it's balls hard (i.e. Contra) they'll stray away. Main focus is on fun. Stray away from retail PC games, and may play freeware games and Peggel. Non-Gamer-People who don't play games at all, or have only started to play games since the DS and Wii. Gaming is a fun hobby and nothing more. They like games that are easy to play and offer quick enjoyment. This does not mean they play easy games. It's about ease of use. Big focus on multiplayer games. Enjoy games that accentuate (Brain Age) or simulate real life (Wii Sports/Wii Music). The best example of this was an event at USF called Overkill. It was pretty much a lan event for PC games, but they also had console games, and chess. See, the hardcore are the people who lugged their PC to the event and who even registered in advance as to get a seat. The casuals are the ones who came for the console games like Rockband, Brawl, and Halo 3. They would sometimes mingle in the lobby with others and talk, play chess, or even went outside and played volleyball. The event lasted till 3a.m. The casual gamers left at a reasonable hour, but the PC guys stayed till 3, or even longer (some until 8). But there was also a soccer game that you could hear across the way. These guys were the non-gamers. The number of hardcore was the fewest. Out of the available 75 seats, less then half of that showed up. The Casuals however, numbered in many as they watched the tournaments and tried to get into a game. There were more people from this group who doubled the core. They registered latter (and didn't get a PC seat), but also left at a reasonable hour. The Non-gamers never showed up, but there were a lot more of them at the soccer game. The PS3 and 360 are aiming at the hardcore The PS2 and GBA aimed at the casuals The Wii and DS aim at the non-gamer Matt's problem is he is playing the game like Guitar Hero. If you sere, his main focus is hitting the notes. It is far to easy to do, and not fast enough, so he dislikes it. What he doesn't realize is that he is just a trained drone. He is trying to "win" and tries to hit only the notes that appear rather then make his own song. Becuase he expects Wii Music to be the exact opposite of what it is, he dubs it kiddy and says it sucks. Thing is, he doesn't know what he is doing.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 15, 2008 22:30:10 GMT -5
Its gotta be Goroh. I always go by a character hierarchy when deciding what goes in the game. Goroh is above Black Shadow. The reason I ask is what you brought up. Yes, Goroh is next in line, but more people seem to like Black Shadow. That is my conflict at least.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 15, 2008 22:11:59 GMT -5
Krystal in next time, Krystal not in next time... I don't know, I guess I've gotten tired of this. Yeah, I suppose you can all keep having your fun obsessing over this matter for another several pages in this pointless thread. Good point. Which begs the question, should Goroh be in the next game, or Black Shadow (if F-Zero gets a character).
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 15, 2008 21:38:23 GMT -5
Were we taking about Punch-Out?
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 15, 2008 21:35:02 GMT -5
Fryguy, stop blaming Krystal for Star Fox's slight downfall. Also stop acting like you know why Sakurai included characters or not, because you don't. For the rest of you, stop letting furries and fans ruin characters for you. Second, what's with the Rare hate? Seriously. And third, Krystal is way more original than an Anti-Fox any day. First and foremost, anyone who still says "Krystal was the reason for Starfox games sucking" needs a good smack on the back of the head. Like I said, it's Causation vs Correlation. The problem is Starfox has been done by developers who are either incompitant or couldn't do a Starfox game, or that there are different opinions. I have heard reasons for why all three were good. Adventure for having strong graphics and sounds (and being Zelda), Assult for it's multiplayer and flying sections, and Command for it's crazy story arch. The situation is defiantly not Sonic, where it is clear that the games suck (Heroes is the only I've heard debated). This doesn't mean they are all Starfox 64 quality, but that people have opinions. Also, too often do people bring furry into it. Furries were probably happy for Lucario as well. Krystal only gets lumped into this group becuase she is an attractive furry. If furries didn't exist, the characters would lose 50% of the people who hate it. I may be defending the character a lot, but too often are people's dislike for the character often misguided. I think he hit the nail in the head. Remember, there is a good reason why Goroh, Lyn, Saki, and Issac are Assist. Which begs the question, should Goroh be in the next game, or Black Shadow (if F-Zero gets a character).
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 15, 2008 21:12:53 GMT -5
Krystal is a bland stock character whose introduction coincided with the series going rapidly downhill, sales getting worse, reviews getting worse... My question isn't "Why should she be in?" but "Where the hell are all these Krystal fans coming from?" Hard Mode: Krystal has played a bigger role in the more recent games that Wolf has in the current games and, arguably, overall (i.e. Wolf only mattered in Command becuase Krystal was with them. Most of the endings involving them also involved Krystal). Claiming her as a stock character would be the same as doing it to other franchise. No matter the argument of the character, it could probably compared to another character. Basically, the character doesn't lack character (not B^U), or at least not any more then any other character in 90% of the games released. The decline in the quality of the franchise really shouldn't be a factor as it doesn't have much to do with the character. And don't start saying she killed any kind of story because that's not what games are about (see: Metal Gear Solid). It's corrilation vs causation. Krystal being in games is when the franchise went down, but she didn't cause it (poor development did). She's justifiable becuase, opposed to what others say, she is an intricate part of the franchise and an important character. She has more change then most of the characters, and is one of the few round characters (only the Star Fox team are like this. Wolf maybe becuase of the end of Assault). She is also a female character which Smash has always lacked) and can be unique. People really like the flair she brings, me thinks. Easy Mode: The same reason anyone wants any other character: they like them. The difference here is more people like this character then others. I'm not entirely sure you even read the post you were reply to either, based on your 'everything is about playable characters!' list. Yeah, we get it, but right now we're talking about the characters, so stop whining. lolwut Oh UWonder if anyone got what you were getting at
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 14, 2008 9:41:35 GMT -5
My main pain is that while Wham Bam moves in an obvious pattern, I keep running intio him. And Wham Bam Jewel is just too fast. My current try, Burning Leo, keeps dying to Wham Bam Rock / Jewel. Burning Leo is pretty tough. Bonkers is easy mode.
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 13, 2008 20:24:17 GMT -5
I heard pikmin 3 is coming out Yep, it's coming. Just don't know when.
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