That's been my problem for so long. I'd pore over every piece of official art and try to create something as close as possible. Of course, it always appeared as a pale imitation.
When I set up my DeviantArt account I decided to browse around and I found a bunch of artists, usually ones who use vector art, whose were using completely their own style to do other characters. They didn't look like pale imitations, they looked like letters of love to the original designs. That's what I wanted. So I've been on a mad sketching frenzy, trying to inject characters with my own style.
So track down some funky artists you like the style of and get drawing!! I can't stress that enough. My room is FULL of paper with doodles, rough sketches, characters in a number of styles, and unfinished comic strips. All you can do is keep at it!
Post by Dasher Misire on Mar 17, 2007 8:46:38 GMT -5
Didn't he cover that already once before? I'm sure he knows.
Namco X Capcom is a fine basis but also think of Smash Brothers of course. Pit was redesigned quite a bit and in my eyes, except for the shiny trophies in Melee, any 3D appearance of a character in a new, more awesome form is his or her current appearance. As goes for Pit and even Ice Climbers, etc. Not too much of redesigns so they're not even the same type (Namco X Capcom ruined Dig Dug in my eyes, I like him in his appearance in the Mr Driller games)
EDIT: Hector all buddy buddy with either Vector or ROB! Plz? I loved the old one so if that's still your style then yay...
Post by Dasher Misire on Mar 17, 2007 10:51:59 GMT -5
It was alright, I consider those sorts an AU form of design, like Mario in SSB games as he never looks like that in other games (yet other characters do or assume to be). His pumpdrill was nicely done though.
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Except it's possible to be badass without following a trend. There are many different types of badass, you know. Plus, I would't exactly regard Shadow as actually being badass. It tried to be badass, but it failed miserably.
Post by TrustTheFungus on Mar 18, 2007 1:57:00 GMT -5
Because those games all suck
You said be as original and creative as possible. I'm not sure about Yakuman and Vegas Stakes, but Zootto Mahjong has a story, heroes, and a villain. I think they would make a nice addition to the Nintendo All-Stars or at least deserve a little more consideration.
Nester the Lark: I was thinking how I considered the original Donkey Kong Country to be a generic Super Mario Bros clone with fancy graphics, but SMB Wonder only just caught up to the level of quality that DKC Tropical Freeze gave us almost a decade ago.
Nov 20, 2023 14:57:21 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: This is surprising. I see DKC as the least Mario-like platformer to feature a Mario character. The Wario Land games still feature Mario-style blocks and pipes, for example, while DKC lacks many Mario elements.
Nov 21, 2023 8:16:55 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: True that DKC lacks a lot of specific Mario-like details, but it has the basic gameplay in that you run, jump, and defeat enemies by landing on them. I didn't see it as having much more than this, thus why I considered it generic.
Nov 21, 2023 9:27:07 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: Yeah, psychologically there is a 'first example' thing. When something new is released and is thought to be innovative, and becomes popular it can lead to comparing newer games to be like it (so we have newer genres like "Metroidvania").
Nov 24, 2023 18:28:16 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: I find it interesting with platformers, it's less often that we regard platform games after Mario as "Mario-like". On this note, I also find it interesting how certain genres are treated differently.
Nov 24, 2023 18:29:32 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: In addition to the "platform" (rather than Mario-like) and Metroidvania examples (incidentally there were games like Metroid and Castlevania before their release), some games are seen as "rip-offs" if people think they're too similar.
Nov 24, 2023 18:31:26 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: An example is how some people treat Fossil Fighters, Robopon, Yo-Kai Watch as Pokémon 'rip-offs' or clones, and the 'monster-battling' genre is often seen as less 'mainstream' than something like 'platformer'.
Nov 24, 2023 18:32:39 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: Also on that note, often people on databases, wikis, etc. stick to only a few genre labels like "platform", "arcade", "fighting", "racing" etc. but there are many more ways to describe a game.
Nov 24, 2023 18:35:03 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: The developers may choose to advertise their game using their own genre, so for instance Starfy was given the label "marine action" in Japan rather than "platformer". I think in essence these don't exist in isolation though.
Nov 24, 2023 18:36:28 GMT -5
Evie ❤✿: It also reminds me of how there was apparently a debate on whether NES The Legend of Zelda is an adventure game or RPG (or something like that).
Nov 24, 2023 18:37:27 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: Happy 6th anniversary to my favorite RPG, Xenoblade Chronicles 2!
Nov 30, 2023 20:54:33 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: The Super Mario Bros. Wonder speedruns don't feel much like Mario speedruns. Any% takes more than 80 minutes, and features slow Wonder Seed segments and a lot of loading time. They're rather boring to watch compared to even the New SMB games.
Dec 2, 2023 6:08:10 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: I've got a lot of Nintendo Switch demos that I haven't got to play. At this rate I'll never clear my backlog even if I don't buy anything.
Dec 2, 2023 10:36:45 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: I've finally finished Ciel nosurge DX. Its end is directly connected to the beginning of Ion's part in Ar nosurge DX, which means I'll have to play through that to experience the whole story.
Dec 2, 2023 12:45:14 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Going through everything takes more time than finishing an entire quadrilogy in the Atelier series. I think it'll be another few months before I even touch another game.
Dec 2, 2023 12:46:32 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Also, this is of no use to most people reading this, but Surge Concerto confusingly has save data bonus that goes both ways. To experience the story in chronological order, do Sekai Link in Ar nosurge DX as soon as possible, then play Ciel nosurge DX.
Dec 2, 2023 13:05:55 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Any advice you find online about needing to advance Ar nosurge's story to a certain point does not apply to the DX version. Just make the save data and leave it behind to avoid Ciel nosurge spoilers and not understanding Ar nosurge's story.
Dec 2, 2023 13:07:17 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: (By the way, the PS3 and PS Vita versions of Ar nosurge is available in English, but not Ciel nosurge. The DX version is entirely Japan-only. I have much to complain when it comes to localisation for both Gust and the whole of KOEI TECMO GAMES.)
Dec 2, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5
Nester the Lark: Been a bit busy recently and haven't had a chance to respond to things until now.
Dec 7, 2023 10:50:24 GMT -5
nocturnal YL: Stories I've read that deal with fantasy races tend to have only a few named members in those races, and those tend to be outlier individuals. We don't get to know generic members in great detail. One exception is Xenoblade, which does the exact opposite.
Dec 9, 2023 23:29:12 GMT -5