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Post by Da Robot on Feb 8, 2007 2:38:40 GMT -5
According to wikipedia it says that there are cameos of R.O.B. in the following games (that arn't listed on this site) the site is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.O.BI think this must have been edited or something but I think that it used to say in the cameos section that R.O.B. appeared in the game Chibi robo as a robot called Giga robo? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 8, 2007 4:32:37 GMT -5
Yep, there are some that aren't included. Because they're not ROB cameos. ROB64 isn't a ROB cameo, because ROB64 is called that even in Japan - where the NES ROB was just called Famicom Robot.
Giga Robo and the AC Robot furniture look nothing like ROB. They are just robots.
People get far too excited.
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Post by Da Robot on Feb 8, 2007 5:53:25 GMT -5
What about the mention about the other R.O.B. cameo in F-Zero GX that one sounds possible. I looked on the box and manual of Viewitiful Joe and did'nt see anything and I don't remember anything like that in the game, but its been such a long time since I played. I am also playing the PAL version of that game which I think has a different box and instruction manual.
Its good to know that ROB 64 isn't related to R.O.B. now I was wondering if it ever was.
If anyone can confirm the cameos can they please edit the wiki page so this does not happen again, thank you.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 8, 2007 7:53:28 GMT -5
The Viewtiful Joe one is true, but you're right - only on the US boxart. The PAL boxart (which is also what I have) doesn't feature ROB at all.
The other F-Zero GX one sounds very suspicious. I will check it out.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Feb 8, 2007 11:58:34 GMT -5
Fry, I know you don't seem to like explaining it, but in the case of ROB 64, why wouldn't the Japanese Star Fox 64 be referencing a US product name? I mean, "Famicom Robot" isn't much of a name to reference. Is it really so unlikely?
Or is it purely a visual thing? If it doesn't look like R.O.B., it isn't?
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 8, 2007 13:07:31 GMT -5
ROB is a pretty generic robot name, really. There must be hundreds of characters with that name, but they're not all R.O.B. cameos.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 8, 2007 13:13:20 GMT -5
Fry, I know you don't seem to like explaining it, but in the case of ROB 64, why wouldn't the Japanese Star Fox 64 be referencing a US product name? I mean, "Famicom Robot" isn't much of a name to reference. Is it really so unlikely? Or is it purely a visual thing? If it doesn't look like R.O.B., it isn't? It's a combination of the two. ROB-SF looks nothing like ROB-NES, and it's unlikely that Nintendo in Japan would reference the US product name. They don't seem to have ever referenced it anywhere else. Even in Mario Kart 64 they refer to ROB-NES as "HVC-012". And yes, it really isn't hard to imagine a situation in which two robots might both be called "ROB". Seems about as likely as Zoda from F-Zero being a reference to Zoda from Star Tropics. No similarity beyond the name - it's likely to be a coincidence and nothing more. |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Feb 8, 2007 13:47:42 GMT -5
But why "ROB 64" then? Isn't that too much of a reference to Nintendo hardware? The only give-away in that name is the lack of periods (and the lack of a citation in Wikipedia).
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 8, 2007 15:47:27 GMT -5
The 64 is clearly a hardware reference, but only because ROB himself is a piece of the StarFox Team's hardware. That's no reason to connect him to R.O.B.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Feb 8, 2007 15:50:21 GMT -5
I don't mean to make an issue out of it, but I have to admit I'm not completely sold on ROB 64 (or Zoda in F-Zero) being pure coincidence. It certainly seems obvious, at least in the US. Why couldn't it be a US reference? And even if he doesn't look like the NES accessory, the name, in and of itself, gets the job done. Maybe you can make the case that ROB is a common robot name, but in the case of Zoda, I've never heard that word used in any other context. It's much less likely. And again, being that Star Tropics was a US game that never appeared in Japan, why couldn't it be a US name reference? I guess I'm saying that I don't think it's out of the question for a Japanese made game to reference a US product (from the same company, no less). Besides, was it not Nintendo of America that came up with the name "Mario"? NCL certainly didn't ignore that. (Or do they call it "Super Jumpman Bros" over there?  ) Anyway, I'm not trying to argue. Just needed to get that off my chest. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Feb 8, 2007 17:31:30 GMT -5
Argue all you want - it's not going on NinDB ;D
Japan has been known to use names created by America in some cases, but it's not the fact ROB's name may have been adopted by Japan that's at issue - it's the fact ROB64 was created in Japan, a country where Famicom Robot has never been referred to as ROB, there is no physical similarity, and absolutely no further suggestion that ROB64 is a reference in any way.
So either Nintendo EAD created ROB64 as a reference that nobody in their home market would ever understand, give them no clues and alter the appearance beyond recognition so that the in-joke will only be understood by Americans....
Or by simply applying the priciples of Occam's Razor, that the simplest explanation is often the best, the name is simply a coincidence brought about by the fact ROBOT is easily shortened to ROB for naming purposes.
For Zoda I apply this little equation:
Yoda + Z = funky alien name ;D
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 8, 2007 18:18:58 GMT -5
I guess I'm saying that I don't think it's out of the question for a Japanese made game to reference a US product (from the same company, no less). Besides, was it not Nintendo of America that came up with the name "Mario"? NCL certainly didn't ignore that. (Or do they call it "Super Jumpman Bros" over there? ) If it was supposed to be a R.O.B. reference, I'm sure he'd be called HVC64 in Japan or something. Besides, they'd already made a proper R.O.B. reference with the Sector X boss. What more do you want? |
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Post by Da Robot on Feb 8, 2007 18:20:19 GMT -5
It probbly true what Fry just said about Occam Razor in relation to ROB 64 and Zoda. When you look at ROB 64 the only similiar to R.O.B. is the fact that ROB 64 has a eye (if you call that line thing on his head an eye) that red like R.O.B.'s eyes and that looks like to be the only reference. Does anyone know if they make any sounds similar to each other? Zoda in F-Zero, well I never played Star Tropics or owned an NES and I never owned any of the F-zero games. But does'nt F-zero make quite a few references to other games such as James McClould (starfox) and Mr EAD (looking like Mario and being reference to nintendo).
I say if zoda in F-zero does not have any other references to zoda in star tropics (like looking the same or background story or something like that) then it should not be counted as a cameo.
Besides is there any games that actually have a cameo from Star Tropics in them in the first place?
Now I'm starting to think this just a coincidence or the other option is that nintendo did this purposely to screw with us all, just like Kazumi Totakes song. Its just another Nintendo Unsolved Mystery! (or an N.U.M.)
Reply to kirbychu
ROB actually isn't a common robot name. Offically nintendo R.O.B. is the only robot called that and that also because its name is just an abbrivation as well
I looked at in the index of a robotics maginzine I have and did not find any. The only two names that I found that could be shortened down to ROB were Robbie (from journey to the forrbiddin planet) and an underwater robot called Robin. There are also a ton of robots just with the word "robo" in them as well.
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 8, 2007 18:24:04 GMT -5
ROB actually isn't a common robot name. Offically nintendo R.O.B. is the only robot called that and that also because its name is just an abbrivation as well I looked at in the index of a robotics maginzine I have and did not find any. The only two names that I found that could be shortened down to ROB were Robbie (from journey to the forrbiddin planet) and an underwater robot called Robin. There are also a ton of robots just with the word "robo" in them as well. I'm assuming, if it's a robotics magazine, it's only an index of actual robots, and not a complete index of EVERY FICTIONAL ROBOT EVER CREATED. Because trust me, there are a lot named ROB. Hey, does that index have Johnny 5 in it? 'Cause if not, I'm not listening to a thing it says anyway.  |
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Post by Da Robot on Feb 8, 2007 18:50:45 GMT -5
The movie Short Circuit is in the index which starred Johnny 5.
I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to say there arn't many robots named Rob. I'm probbly wrong there would have to be some robots out in the real world (and in science fiction) that must have the name Rob. I'm just saying there probbly arn't that many and I've probblly never heard of them before or they could be unreleased prototypes or something along those lines.
I'm sorry there arn't a LOT of robots named Rob there just probbly very few besides nintendo would probbly hold the copyright to the name Rob anyway so that could be the reason why.
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