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Post by Manspeed on Aug 14, 2008 9:19:22 GMT -5
The why is the post centered on Little Mac?  |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 14, 2008 17:57:14 GMT -5
I've had an idea for Little Mac floating around my head for a while, but I'd forgotten it until now. Now that Flip's got his ideas up, I can pretty much steal them, as Little Mac's a fairly boring character, his moveset doesn't have much room for variance. But, his Bv is different.
Basically, I figured that the space used by Pokemon Trainer needs to be used more. Hence, when Little Mac fights, Doc Louis stands in the background, cheering him on. His purpose is that Little Mac has stamina, much like the Pokemon's. The more he fights, the more tired he gets. However, when you use Bv, Doc runs out with a towel and Mac's stamina is slowly built back up. It can't be used just anywhere, because if Mac is hit, Doc will return to the sidelines (though as a side note, if Doc is hit, he will also return to the sidelines, but he'll first give a quick, low damage counterjab to the player that did it to him).
As a side note, my vision for a Smash 4 is that every character will have a clone (boosts the character count significantly without all of the effort). As such, Little Mac's clone is Fat Mac. He still has the stamina factor, though rather than being a process of losing strength as time goes on, you've either got full stamina (Fat Mac), or low stamina (at which point you become Skinny Mac). As a result there is no Doc Louis with him, and his Bv is some other move (lets say a bodyslam because I'm lazy).
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 14, 2008 18:05:09 GMT -5
I think it would be more productive if the clones were different characters instead of the same character with a different asthetic. We all know how big Dr. Mario went over...
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Post by Flip on Aug 14, 2008 18:55:01 GMT -5
The why is the post centered on Little Mac? Cut and paste error >.> |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 14, 2008 22:04:44 GMT -5
I think it would be more productive if the clones were different characters instead of the same character with a different asthetic. We all know how big Dr. Mario went over... Yes but now that he's gone, how many people have whined about wanting him back? If you gave every, or at least a significant portion of characters, a clone, then it would become less of a problem. "Hey you, we need a 25th Nintendo all-star, how about Dr Mario?" - pfft nah. But "Hey you, we need a Mario clone, how about Dr Mario?" - yeah sure, sounds good. |
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 15, 2008 1:43:20 GMT -5
I think it would be more productive if the clones were different characters instead of the same character with a different asthetic. We all know how big Dr. Mario went over... Yes but now that he's gone, how many people have whined about wanting him back? If you gave every, or at least a significant portion of characters, a clone, then it would become less of a problem. "Hey you, we need a 25th Nintendo all-star, how about Dr Mario?" - pfft nah. But "Hey you, we need a Mario clone, how about Dr Mario?" - yeah sure, sounds good. I'm not a fan of the idea, but you make quite a point. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 15, 2008 9:13:08 GMT -5
I started suggesting clones for all the characters, but became bored with the idea about halfway down. The only vaguely interesting one was Pokemon Trainer's clone being Gary with Vaporeon, Leafeon and Flareon. That'd be cool.
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Post by Flip on Aug 15, 2008 9:59:26 GMT -5
I started suggesting clones for all the characters, but became bored with the idea about halfway down. The only vaguely interesting one was Pokemon Trainer's clone being Gary with Vaporeon, Leafeon and Flareon. That'd be cool. Nahhh, Trainer has to have the clone be Pokemon Rival with the GSC starters. That would rock ass. Imagine Totodile, Bayleef, and Typhlosion kicking butt in Smash Bros. That would be sooo awesome. EDIT: POKEMON RIVALPokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, 1995Though the Pokemon Rival is a shifting position, this rival in particular is based on the design from Gold and Silver. Can he defeat the Trainer and prove his own worth in the arena?Special MovesRather than do the whole kit and kaboodle, I'll just give quick blurbs. The rival uses the three starters from GSC with the same "evolutions" as the Trainer. In other words, he's got Totodile, Bayleef, and Typhlosion. How do they play?
Totodile: Very similar to Squirtle, but he loses the ability to wall cling and wall jump. All his A attacks are slashes, bites, and tail swipes. He's a bit heavier and a bit stronger, with a lot of spikes as opposed to "wall of pain" type moves. Definitely not as quick. Specials are Water Gun (same), Aqua Jet (no shell, no rebound), Muddy Water (multidirectional, but like Waterfall), Pokemon Change
Bayleef: A somewhat heavier Ivysaur with less range but more "punch." Bayleef lacks the powder moves and the vine throws seeing as she lacks a flower or proper vines, but she replaces many of the A moves with body throws, headbutts, and leaf thwacks. Her aerials are all terrible, but her smashes and grabs (she still uses vines for those) are downright deadly. Specials are Bullet Seed (shoots forwards rather than above), Magical Leaf (far more control, holds opponent in for damage), Vine Whip (same, but comes from her neck "buds"), Pokemon Change
Typhlosion: Imagine Charizard with far less lag in his attacks and a much faster air and land speed. Then give him less range, a bit less power, and the loss of his three jumps/glide. That's Typhlosion. All the A attacks have become bull rushes, slashes, and chomps. Typhlosion can crawl and wall jump, unlike 'zard, and his grabs have become very powerful. The aerials are much the same, while the smashes are very different. Specials are Flamethrower (much the same), Dynamic Punch (punches with amazing force, lacks "projectile" and hit box), Flame Wheel (pretty much the same, but combos much better), Pokemon Change The Final Smash is nearly identical to Trainer's with some slight differences. |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 15, 2008 15:14:07 GMT -5
I always figured Stanley would make a good Mr. Game & Watch clone, minus the frame-by-frame movement, and instead using the spray can in place of all of GW's other weapons.
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 15, 2008 18:32:44 GMT -5
ehhhh, not that great Flip. PKMN Riva; is generally not a good idea (exact same character as trainer. No uniqueness) and the pokemon are just the same as Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard.
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Post by Da Robot on Aug 15, 2008 19:25:02 GMT -5
I've had an idea for Little Mac floating around my head for a while, but I'd forgotten it until now. Now that Flip's got his ideas up, I can pretty much steal them, as Little Mac's a fairly boring character, his moveset doesn't have much room for variance. But, his Bv is different. Basically, I figured that the space used by Pokemon Trainer needs to be used more. Hence, when Little Mac fights, Doc Louis stands in the background, cheering him on. His purpose is that Little Mac has stamina, much like the Pokemon's. The more he fights, the more tired he gets. However, when you use Bv, Doc runs out with a towel and Mac's stamina is slowly built back up. It can't be used just anywhere, because if Mac is hit, Doc will return to the sidelines (though as a side note, if Doc is hit, he will also return to the sidelines, but he'll first give a quick, low damage counterjab to the player that did it to him). I like the sound of that DL restoring stamina LM's idea. Also an idea I had for future characters is, do they need to have a grab (and then throw) move? Why can't LM for example have instead of a grab be able to hit and stun the opponent and then depend on which way the control stick/d-pad was pressed would make LM move to punch the opponent in the given direction. This entire process would be very quick and end up doing the same result as a grab, without the grabbing. Also if LM is fighting on a horizontal scrolling stage, DL should be riding in the background on a bicycle. I know it won't work on all stage but it would be a good reference to Punch-Out! ehhhh, not that great Flip. PKMN Riva; is generally not a good idea (exact same character as trainer. No uniqueness) and the pokemon are just the same as Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard. Yeah, it sounds too much like the original PT. If there is a PKMN Rival needs to do something different from the original PT. It also made me wonder could a Pokemon Ranger (from Pokemon Ranger) have a moveset that would work? |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Aug 15, 2008 19:39:19 GMT -5
Clone for Mac should be Bald Bull. K.
If we're getting clones for each character I want Black Shadow for Falcon. Make Ganondorf a freaking normal fighter.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 15, 2008 19:47:05 GMT -5
I thought about the possibility of suggesting other game trainers, but partly I'd prefer to see something a bit different, and partly I just wanna see Gary's taunt... "Smell you later!"
Come oooon. An Eevee team would be awesome! ;D
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 15, 2008 22:04:38 GMT -5
Gary could have an Eevee that evolves in battle. And I guess a Blastoise is a must, to antagonize Charizard. A Pokémon Ranger would be interesting as well as the names of the special moves their Pokémon would use (Soak, Burn, Cross, etc.), but one problem is that they don't have many signature Pokémon other than the partner Pokémon, and the partner Pokémon alone don't make a Ranger that abundant in moves. And the Pokémon Ranger series by itself isn't that important anyway, as it has only had 2 games so far. Use May of Hoenn... She has been in the anime, she's female, her generation is the second biggest one, and the Hoenn starters are easier to smashify. And it has the Mudkipz you all liek, if you want to find a funny answer.  |
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Post by Flip on Aug 16, 2008 15:30:32 GMT -5
My Rival idea was meant to be a clone of trainer and nothing more. If we are talking completely unique then yes, it's a crap idea. But on the subject of the other trainers why not pull a Wario and make them extra costumes? The girls can have new voices, but most won't care that the trainers are all the "same" or use the same monsters. The majority of players would prefer the recognition and non-wasted space in the roster anyway.
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