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Post by kirbychu on Sept 28, 2007 12:19:32 GMT -5
Actually, waiting until the last minute to reveal Sonic or Mega Man would probably be a better idea. That way the hype over them is still fresh, and doesn't have a chance to die down before release.
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Post by Flip on Sept 28, 2007 12:30:22 GMT -5
Actually, waiting until the last minute to reveal Sonic or Mega Man would probably be a better idea. That way the hype over them is still fresh, and doesn't have a chance to die down before release. True, but I still say that we would've seen something by now. And the factors AGAINST Sonic in Brawl are far greater than those FOR. Yuji Naka isn't exactly, y'know... Sega's buddy right now. And as far as Capcom is concerned, last I checked they still choose to snub the Wii for almost any and everything worthwhile. Where the HELL are their Virtual Console games? Seriously. |
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Post by kirbychu on Sept 28, 2007 12:38:57 GMT -5
Yuji Naka doesn't have... anything to do with Sonic any more. He's now running his own independant (but Sega-funded) company.
And I don't know much about what Capcom are doing for Wii right now, but there are Mega Man games on VC... and don't forget the all the Nintendo-exclusive Phoenix Wright and Mega Man Battle Network games.
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Post by vorpal on Sept 28, 2007 13:04:09 GMT -5
And as far as Capcom is concerned, last I checked they still choose to snub the Wii for almost any and everything worthwhile. Where the HELL are their Virtual Console games? Seriously.Do you not like the Ghost N' Goblins series? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2007 14:29:17 GMT -5
Yeah, Capcom does do more than just Megaman games...though I can understand how that would be easy to overlook XD
Anyway, Nintendo has had a lot of recent pro-Megaman activity, but it's focused almost entirely on their handhelds. The Battle Network, Zero, ZX and Star Force series have been exclusive to the GBA and DS; anything else has been on the GC (Network Transmission, Command Mission). And then some of their non-MM stuff like Street Fighter, Virtual Joe, Phoenix Wright, Ghosts n Goblins, etc have appeared on the VC, GC or DS.
Also keep in mind that in the past 20 years, no one Megaman series has been exclusive to a non-Nintendo system due to Nintendo having some games for it somewhere. Classic was, for the most part, hosted on Nintendo consoles and handhelds; X started on the SNES despite later moving to the Playstation and recently had Command Mission as a multi-console release; Legends appeared on the N64 as Megaman 64; and again, Battle Network, Zero, ZX and Star Force are Nintendo exclusive. That's a pretty good chunk of the franchise right there.
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Post by Flip on Sept 28, 2007 14:51:39 GMT -5
Handhelds I don't count, considering Nintendo has had the monopoly on that for a looong time. There really are not other options for Capcom to make portable Mega Man games, y'know?
And where is Mega Man on the VC? That would be the big indicator of Capcom love, but for now I just don't see it being any greater than they support the other consoles. Definitely not to the level of Sega or even Squeenix.
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Post by Flint on Sept 28, 2007 15:07:34 GMT -5
Handhelds I don't count, considering Nintendo has had the monopoly on that for a looong time. There really are not other options for Capcom to make portable Mega Man games, y'know? ...and yet, Capcom gave us the boot releasing both “Powered up“ and “Maverik Hunter“ on the PSP (and those looked better than anything Megaman on the DS to date) |
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Post by thores on Sept 28, 2007 15:40:16 GMT -5
And where is Mega Man on the VC? That would be the big indicator of Capcom love, but for now I just don't see it being any greater than they support the other consoles. Definitely not to the level of Sega or even Squeenix. Actually, the first Mega Man IS on the VC, just only in Europe for the time being. And the Wii is gradually getting more Capcom support. We've got Umbrella Chronicles and Zack and Wiki already, and I'm sure there are more projects that we don't know about yet. That said, I don't really think Mega Man in Brawl is likely. It would be perfect but I don't really see it happening. |
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Post by Smashchu on Sept 28, 2007 16:51:05 GMT -5
Lets alos not forget about Zack&Wiki and the cube getting every major Resident Evil up to that point (except Code Veronica X).
Fryguy: I see where you and flip are coming from, but I disagree that the cons outweight the props in Sonic's case. Simply becuase of hopw Sega and Nintendo act. Sakurai is not dumb enough to not let the most wanted character. He is not only the most requested 3rd party character, but probobly THE most requested character. Also, if asked to have Sonic in Smash, Sega would have the papers ready to go, and just have Nintendo sign the dotted line. They have probobly been waiting fior Nintendo to come in there door just to thrust Sonic into an advertising game. Sega does that anyway, and loves it. Why would they not do that now.
The Olympic thing is always clumped into Smash, but they are a bit irrelivent. It cam from Sega asking Nintendo if Mario could be in to increase sale. If you know anything about games, then you'd know you better wizzleing sign that paper ASAP. Having the words Sonic, Mario, and Olympics on your box easily garrentees you 4-5million sales, regardless of reviews and previews. Probily the biggest symbotic relationship in all of gaming. As such, I doubt it would effect Smash. Sega would sign the deal in a heartbeat for Smash, as Nintendo would for Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games.
Flip:That was a good prediction, even if I don't agree with it 100%, but your pretty good at this. As I'm lazy, I will say that I expect ~5 new hidden characters. The immidiate ones are Krystal, Dedede, Ridley and Olimar. I think people also under evaluate Pikmin, but the franchise is pretty big, totalling ~2.08million units sold between both games, and are relativly popular worldwide, and the character has been requested for Lord knows when, and managed a 3 on the poll. I will also say that Sonic will be in (if Nintendo asked Sega at all, then he'd be in) and perhaps Megaman. I'm not 100% sure if we'll get 3 3rd parties, but I caqn safly say the 3rd one would be Megaman, without a doubt. Mine total, with 2 more 3rd parties is 37, with 35 selectable (basically 35+Sheik/Zero Suit Samus)
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Post by Wildcat on Sept 28, 2007 22:23:51 GMT -5
Capcom has released several games on the VC. None of them aren't available in some other format, mind you, but they have done a decent job, especially on the SNES front. If I recall, there's Final Fight, Street Fighter II, Street Fighter II Turbo, Breath of Fire II, Super Ghouls & Ghosts, Ghouls & Ghosts and the PAL release of Mega Man. There may be one or two others, but I don't think 7 games is horribly slacking, really. *shrugs* As for Sonic, I don't know. Yes, he's requested, and yes, Sega loves whoring out the blue rodent as of late, but I don't know how well he'd work in Smash Bros. He's all about speed, but if he's faster than Fox or Capt. Falcon's running speed he'll be flying off the courses. And if you tone that down, he's not going to be the same (yes, I did see the M&SATO shots where Mario beats him at a sprint, which is all too funny for words). I could be wrong, but that's my take. He'd have to lose that surge of sheer speed to be playable, and that loses a bit of Sonic's character. Oh, and Mega Man for BRAWL!!!!!!!! He's my #1 choice to pop up in Brawl for third parties.  |
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Post by Game Guru on Sept 28, 2007 22:24:18 GMT -5
Handhelds I don't count, considering Nintendo has had the monopoly on that for a looong time. There really are not other options for Capcom to make portable Mega Man games, y'know? And where is Mega Man on the VC? That would be the big indicator of Capcom love, but for now I just don't see it being any greater than they support the other consoles. Definitely not to the level of Sega or even Squeenix. It's got Street Fighter games, Final Fight, Breath of Fire II, and Ghouls 'N Ghosts! Square Enix only gave us Actraiser so far... Now if they gave us Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior, then you could say Capcom is being lame, but they aren't! I think Europe got Mega Man because they don't have Rock Man Complete Works or Mega Man Anniversary Collection, likely. |
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Post by Flip on Sept 30, 2007 8:23:15 GMT -5
My main point was this: do we SEE major Capcom titles appearing on Nintendo consoles regularly? Or are they all throwaways?
The experimental games. The big budget titles (not the shovel ware Mega Man games). The fun downloads and alternatives. Hardly any of those are for Nintendo consoles. This is the "lol gamcube has teh 3rd party suport, rite? look at res evil 4" argument all over again.
It. Doesn't. Matter.
They aren't throwing a greater bulk of their weight behind it. They're pussyfooting, like EA. Sega and Squeenix, on the other hand, are actually going full force. They actually have a shot at being recognizable support.
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Post by kirbychu on Sept 30, 2007 8:37:31 GMT -5
What Square Enix games have we had recently, exactly? I can only think of the FF remakes and Crystal Chronicles. And Sega... I can only think of the Sonic games, Monkey Ball, and the upcoming Samba de Amigo. None of them were any more special or memorable than the Phoenix Wright or Mega Man Battle Network/Star Force games.
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Post by Wildcat on Sept 30, 2007 9:33:08 GMT -5
Zach & Wiki is quite experimental. The previews for it have been quite positive, too. I won't argue much more than that, though, because I am quite upset over Capcom's PSP support over the DS the last two years (I would have bought Mega Man Powered Up, Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Power Stone Collection if it appeared on a system I own). But at least Phoenix Wright has been gloriously good. So I get your point, Flip, but I still think Capcom's been fairly supportive of Nintendo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 21:21:03 GMT -5
Also, if you read Joystiq.com at all, they do weekly total sales reports for the Japanese gaming market...the DSLite has been on top for at least half a month now, and that's only since I started reading the site regularly. It's been outselling every other console and handheld for at least that long, if not longer. So discrediting handhelds just because they are handhelds is a pretty big folly.
Also, Megaman Powered Up was a great game. It added so much new content to really make it worth buying--it's just a shame that it was on the PSP, because most people who prefer Sony consoles aren't really in Megaman's target audience. Especially games that have a more childlike nature, like MMPU...ask a lot of people who own only Sony consoles and they'll tell you they'd rather have darker games.
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