What you're tired of hearing

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Oy, there's just no pleasing people today. XD

[Smashchu]

Moveset was good, but the character is just lame. I never liked Y. Link in Melee. And I'm not a big fan of paradox characters.

[Game Guru]

I do hope that Smashchu realizes that besides a decloned Falco, Luigi, and a decloned Ganondorf, Young Link is the likeliest to reappear in Brawl, and pretty much every game with Young Link in it now uses the Wind Waker design. It's all but a standardized look for Young Link.. Five games use that design, and that's one more than even Ocarina of Time Adult Link.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Other potential Young Link / Wind Waker Link / Wind Hero Link items are the Cane of Pacci (or whatver its called), Roc's Cape, the Wind Waker, and whatever stuff he has in Phantom Hourglass.

[Johans Nidorino]

That way, that Link would have weapons from more than one game. But what makes him more deservable than the current Link to use those weapons, then? Only the youth and look?

I take it Aonuma mentioned Sheik's model. If it's revealed that Sheik isn't a transformation of Zelda this time (and only an Assist Trophy or something), then it will be more evident that TLoZ characters from another time or space aren't being used as playable.

• Young Link: Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask
  
• The need for a young Link: Ocarina of Time only
  
• Twilight Princess: Midna

[Dances in Undergarments]

nidorino said:

That way, that Link would have weapons from more than one game. But what makes him more deservable than the current Link to use those weapons, then? Only the youth and look?

Well Twilight Princess / Adult Link didn't use the majority of those items, thats why he would 'deserve' that moveset more than Link - not to mention the fact Link already has a moveset.

I don't think Sheik being in or not will make a difference to Young Link's chances - Wind Waker / Phantom Hourglass / etc are different to OoT / MM as they are also new, much like TP.

[Manspeed]

sgtmajorkururu said:

smashchu2 said:

Paper Mario maybe, but no for WW Link. I mean,. how can you give him a good moveset without being a Luigi or clone. But, for the most part, their redundant.

'Scuze me while I whip this one out.

Wind Hero Link

Standard Special Move: Gust Jar - WH Link pulls out the jar from Minish Cap and uses it to suck in nearby players. He can hold them for a few seconds but is unable to move himself; however, unlike Kirby, he can aim once he has an enemy trapped and shoot them out as a projectile.
Smash Special Move: Deku Leaf - WH Link utilizes the leaf to cause a massive gust of wind, stunning whomever it hits. If the leaf makes contact with a person, they take damage and get knocked back.
Up Special Move: Grappling Hook - used as a tether recovery, WH Link can hurl his grappling hook up at different angles depending on the tilt of the control stick. The grappling hook can go through panels that a player can pass through and causes damage both being thrown and being reeled back in.
Down Special Move: Iron Boots - This causes WH Link to equip his iron boots. He gains a lot of weight and becomes harder to knock off, but he gets less jump height and falls much faster. Using this in the air acts the same as Bowser or Yoshi's Ground Pound attack, with power between the two that leaves Link stunned momentarily.
Grab: Mole Mitts - WH Link digs his claws into an opponent and latches on tightly. He can use one claw to scratch at them while he holds them, or he can kick/smack them away.
Final Smash: Skull Hammer - Link equips the dreaded Skull Hammer from Wind Waker and charges it up, performing a circular attack with it before slamming it down on the ground, creating a shockwave. The move has an area of effect and causes damage to anyone hit by either part of the attack, as well as stunning with the shockwave itself.

WH Link, because he has the Deku Leaf, is also able to glide--although his combat is very limited, since he'd hold onto the ends of the leaf with one hand and only be attacking with the other. His base moves would be mostly sword-centric, but having spent most of his time at sea and with Tetra's crew, he is more fluid than his older counterpart, being more of a buccaneer than a...fantasy elf-warrior.

I think his standard special should be the Skull Hammer, while the grab should be changed to the Gust Jar. His down special should be the Mole Mitts, which would allow him to hide underground for a brief moment. The Iron Boots should be scrapped. As for the Final Smash, that should be either the Wind Waker, or the Four Sword.

[TV Eye]

^ The Mole Mitts should just be used for slashing the opponent. Not digging underground.

[Smashchu]

samaine said:

I do hope that Smashchu realizes that besides a decloned Falco, Luigi, and a decloned Ganondorf, Young Link is the likeliest to reappear in Brawl, and pretty much every game with Young Link in it now uses the Wind Waker design. It's all but a standardized look for Young Link.. Five games use that design, and that's one more than even Ocarina of Time Adult Link.

How does that make him likely. Y. Link was ionly added for clonedum and his chances of returning are nill. The thing that bugs me is they want the clones gone, but they'll have WW Link just becuase of the look.

We don't need the character. There are better characters out there that need representation, and you'll waste the spot with a character of a different style. The Cel games don't need representations becuase they look different. It's still Link. We got him. Move on.

As far as likelyness, none are likely after Falco. No one wants Pichu, feel Dr. Mario is a dirty clone and Roy is for advertisments. Y. Link is the same way. He's there becuase they needed a clone. Easy clone. So why should he return?

The thing that gets me is he's not needed. We don't need him to return. If it weren't for the rumor or the idiot comments on the poll, no one would think this. And that's the truth. Y. Link was a clone, and Sakurai will axe him. I doubt he'll add a character which is essentually the same person as another one, for a franchise that has enought characters as it is. Just like with Paper Mario, not everything needs representation. Wouldn't thius be better as a sticker?

[TV Eye]

^ Well, who knows how many characters they will use. You can't say you don't want WW Link because he will take up a spot. We've already proven how many different moves he could use that would make him...not a clone. He's as much his own character as Link or Mario now. He's got his own games aside from normal looking Link. He's got his own weapons and he'd just be a cool character to play as because he is Cel shaded, and no one else is. You would finally be able to pit him against regular Link to see who is better! ;D

That's why I would want him in the game.

[Hiker of Games]

Using both Cel-Link and Adult Link is no different than using Marth and Ike in the same game. Sure.. in Fire Emblem, each hero has a different name and backstory.

For each Zelda title, Link has a different backstory. Cel-Shaded Link from The Wind Waker, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, The Minish Cap, and Phantom Hourglass is like a separate character unto himself who interacts with his world different than his Twilight Princess counterpart. How is he, who has his own five games, somehow less deserving than Ike who has only two games?

[Game Guru]

smashchu2 said:

samaine said:

I do hope that Smashchu realizes that besides a decloned Falco, Luigi, and a decloned Ganondorf, Young Link is the likeliest to reappear in Brawl, and pretty much every game with Young Link in it now uses the Wind Waker design. It's all but a standardized look for Young Link.. Five games use that design, and that's one more than even Ocarina of Time Adult Link.

How does that make him likely. Y. Link was ionly added for clonedum and his chances of returning are nill. The thing that bugs me is they want the clones gone, but they'll have WW Link just becuase of the look.

We don't need the character. There are better characters out there that need representation, and you'll waste the spot with a character of a different style. The Cel games don't need representations becuase they look different. It's still Link. We got him. Move on.

As far as likelyness, none are likely after Falco. No one wants Pichu, feel Dr. Mario is a dirty clone and Roy is for advertisments. Y. Link is the same way. He's there becuase they needed a clone. Easy clone. So why should he return?

The thing that gets me is he's not needed. We don't need him to return. If it weren't for the rumor or the idiot comments on the poll, no one would think this. And that's the truth. Y. Link was a clone, and Sakurai will axe him. I doubt he'll add a character which is essentually the same person as another one, for a franchise that has enought characters as it is. Just like with Paper Mario, not everything needs representation. Wouldn't thius be better as a sticker?

I didn't say that aspect made him likely. It only made him more likely to return than Dr. Mario, Pichu, and unfortunately Roy. Also, Wind Waker Link was like the top Zelda character on the Brawl poll. Not exactly saying he is as likely as King Dedede (#1 against anything that wasn't a Blue Hedgehog), but he's up there in the list.

[Smashchu]

samaine said:

smashchu2 said:

How does that make him likely. Y. Link was ionly added for clonedum and his chances of returning are nill. The thing that bugs me is they want the clones gone, but they'll have WW Link just becuase of the look.

We don't need the character. There are better characters out there that need representation, and you'll waste the spot with a character of a different style. The Cel games don't need representations becuase they look different. It's still Link. We got him. Move on.

As far as likelyness, none are likely after Falco. No one wants Pichu, feel Dr. Mario is a dirty clone and Roy is for advertisments. Y. Link is the same way. He's there becuase they needed a clone. Easy clone. So why should he return?

The thing that gets me is he's not needed. We don't need him to return. If it weren't for the rumor or the idiot comments on the poll, no one would think this. And that's the truth. Y. Link was a clone, and Sakurai will axe him. I doubt he'll add a character which is essentually the same person as another one, for a franchise that has enought characters as it is. Just like with Paper Mario, not everything needs representation. Wouldn't thius be better as a sticker?

I didn't say that aspect made him likely. It only made him more likely to return than Dr. Mario, Pichu, and unfortunately Roy. Also, Wind Waker Link was like the top Zelda character on the Brawl poll. Not exactly saying he is as likely as King Dedede (#1 against anything that wasn't a Blue Hedgehog), but he's up there in the list.

There in lies the problem. Sakurai could have put him in there just becuase he thought it was humorus. Not because it was a good characters. He did that for a lot of them. Therte was even a comment about Superman on the poll.

Using both Cel-Link and Adult Link is no different than using Marth and Ike in the same game. Sure.. in Fire Emblem, each hero has a different name and backstory.

For each Zelda title, Link has a different backstory. Cel-Shaded Link from The Wind Waker, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, The Minish Cap, and Phantom Hourglass is like a separate character unto himself who interacts with his world different than his Twilight Princess counterpart. How is he, who has his own five games, somehow less deserving than Ike who has only two games?

Not true at all. Ike and Marth are two completly different characters. The Links, while in different timelines or wahtnot, are pretty much the same person. So much that *spoiler ahead* he is the reincarnation of the Hero of Time *end spoiler*. He is pretty much the same character. He does what Link does bucause he is Link.

Just becuase you can make them different, doesn't mean you should. Sure, you could make them two different characters, but why? What's the point. Zelda already has enough characters. It had 5 in Melee, and probobly at least 4 in Brawl (with Sheik). In Zelda, if you have Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, your good. They are the major players. Do you guys want to start asking for Cel Ganondorf, or WW Zelda? They are different people. We have Link. It's only becuase of that stupid rumor that anyone cares. Before that, he was a stupid seggestion. And he still is.

[Fryguy64]

Gah, this topic sprung out of nowhere and became a hive of activity in the 36 hours my attention was elsewhere. Mad!

I don't think I can add much to this now. I do hate people saying they'd rather see generic Mario enemy that obscure, yet legitimate, main character from another series. Do you seriously believe we'd have translated versions of Fire Emblem now if Sakurai had that attitude?

[Leon]

I'm sick of seeing people talk about Ridley. It's getting to the point where a thread on other major sites can't be started without an argument of Ridley appearing.

Marth being replaced by Ike. Crikey, that's one of the worst. "Oh noes, they both have blue hair! Marth is teh aXed!" Bloody annoying. They don't even fight the same way, and the Fire Emblem icon is the Falchion sword. It would be like having Rick Wheeler with Captain Douglas J. Falcon.

Micaiah, Soren, and the Black Knight. Yeah, they're all important characters to a point. But we don't need to spam characters from Tellius into the game. The Black Knight would be a better boss, and Soren/Micaiah would be much better as AT's, since they can't really do any melee fighting.