Animal Crossing Character Confirmed?

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arcadenik said:

*sigh*

You can attack the other AC residents with your shovel, axe, and net in the games so it is not farfetched to make an AC fighter with these tools. The fishing pole could even be used to tether recover in addition to grabbing opponents.

The only time I ever saw Sheik fight was when he/she got owned by a shadow. Yeah, great Smash material right there.

Right there, though, you're missing or ignoring the entire point I laid out. Sheik is a combat-ready character. Zelda too, if you really gotta know, even though Zelda's pretty useless up until the last stretch of the game. Tetra is definitely combat ready if you care to take it that far, even though Ganondorf kicks her ass. The point is that these characters live in a world of action and violence and are equipped to repel evil (or good in some cases!). Animal Crossing is as nonviolent as you get. Have you ever actually made contact with another resident using your shovel or axe? The only two items an AC character has that could do some bona fide damage, and all they do is bounce off others with a squishy boinging sound.

arcadenik said:

Oh, and the AC humans are humans so it wouldn't be hard to come up with fighting moves that humans use on daily basis. And with the axe and the shovel, the AC character could be the Lizzie Borden of Smash Bros. And Tom Nook is an anthropomorphic tanuki so give him tail attacks like Tanooki Mario (its Mario in a tanuki suit) and have him turn into a Gyroid statue for his down special. The sky is the limit.

Okay, I've heard you make these two arguments a lot and I'm kind of tired of not saying anything, since nobody else has thought to say it yet. So here goes.

So far as AC characters not having basic attacks that don't rely on their items, it's all fine and good--like you and I have already pointed out, making up moves for characters isn't unheard of. What's catching me is the fact that you're ignoring these characters' capability to fight (see above point). But I'll work with you here.

Sheik gets a series of fast, but underpowered moves because she's a ninja and ninjas are not meant to be powerful. A series of calculated blows is really all that's needed in their case. Captain Falcon is also fast, but most of his moves are incredibly powerful despite taking time to execute--you can associate that with being hit by an F-Zero car in Mute City. Fox is also fast, while Falco is slower but has much more aerial capability; this is reflective of their speedy Arwings, and the fact that Falco is a better pilot than Fox is. Wario's moves are based on his lack of personal hygiene and his motions are erratic and unique, much like playing a match of WarioWare.

So let's take that formula and apply it to the AC characters. In Animal Crossing, even when you run you go pretty slow and there's no indication that these characters have any experience in a fight. So take Animal Crossing's lazy nature and apply it to the character much like the above characters: the result is a slow and underpowered character. It doesn't make very much sense to me.

Second: as for Tom Nook using Tanooki Mario moves, that is probably the worst argument I have ever seen anyone make on this message board. That's akin to saying, "We should have Mario use a baseball bat like Ness, because Mario uses one in Mario Baseball!" Only the connection is far less clear. It's actually more akin to saying Falco should be able to do the Falcon Punch because his name is similar to Captain Falcon's. There's no reason for Nintendo to give one franchise character moves from a character out of a completely different franchise. Even Ganondorf's moveset was differentiated from Captain Falcon's to the point where they only had motions in common with each other and nothing else. There's absolutely no chance of this happening.

Also, in case anyone is curious as to my take of "combat-readiness," I'll remind you that Sakurai rejected the possibility of Brain Age's Professor Kawasima (or whatever) on two reasons: one, the Professor is a real person and did not originate from a video game, and two, a floating head (that tests your intelligence rather than, say, your muscle) would not have anything that could be used to make it playable in a fighting game.

And if anyone else is curious, I'm not against the idea of an AC character getting in. I actually would kinda like to see one, but I just find it incredibly unlikely. (And I hope that Sakurai is actually starting a trend where you can have stages from a franchise without characters to represent it.)

[NinjaRygar]

Tei, I love your points and I totally see where you're coming from.

The way I see it though... an Animal Crossing character doesn't have to be a martial artist, or even a combat ready character to be in brawl. Animal Crossing is a Nintendo series. That's really the only thing you need to know about it.

This isn't the King of Fighters tournament. It's not Guilty Gear. It's smash brothers. It's Nintendo. That's all it really takes to be eligable. An Animal Crossing character would be extremely different from the rest of the cast... and that might be his/her appeal.
I mean, I know as well as you do that it makes sense that in a FIGHTING GAME, characters should be able to fight. Usually a character who is included in a fighting game that isn't combat ready is what you call a joke character. Comic relief. Norimaro from MSHvsSF comes to mind. There are alot of other characters that come to mind, but in fighting games, even dream-match crossover ones.... the characters in it generally have to be able to fight to be in. That's common sense... but I truly believe that Smash Brothers is different. The core idea was not to make a normal fighting game. It was for Nintendo's many legendary series to come together into one 4 player, star studded SLAM fest.

Now here we are... the third game in the series... and the initial shock may have died down. People aren't as excited about Mario fighting Link on Green Greens... we're very used to the idea now. More series need to be added.... otherwise people just won't be as excited. (This is why I think 3rd parties were included) Animal crossing is a respected Nintendo series now, known for it's unique nature. Does it lend itself well to a fighting game? Absolutely not.... I can almost garuntee that there won't be an Animal Crossing themed fighting game ever (as opposed to say, a Zelda, Starfox, or F-Zero fighting game which would work) But does Animal Crossing lend itself well to SMASH BROTHERS? Yeah. Because it's not a normal fighting game.

The beauty and, dare I say, essance of Smash Brothers is taking characters from different series and putting them in worlds and scenarios where they do NOT belong. Does it make sense for an Animal Crossing character to defending himself against Samus Aran on the planet popstar with Pokeballs? No. But it's Smash Brothers, it doesn't make sense... it's a crossover of proportions that no other company could ever DARE to match.

And I totally see what you're saying about his fighting style. Captain Falcon is a fast runner because he's from F-Zero, and Falco is very arial because he's from a flying shooter.... I totally understand that and I have complete and total respect for the game developers for the awesome job they did coming up with these movesets (except for Ganondorf.... )
But if you respect them as much as I do... you shouldn't put it past them to be able to put together a moveset that displays the charms and style of Animal Crossing. I doubt the character would have an aggressive fighting stance, hard hitting physical blows and high flying acrobatic stunts. That's not that game's style. I imagine he would have a pleasant, naive expression, a laid back (perhaps even nervous) fighting stance, and non-conventional, unorthadox attacks, (think servebot from MVC2)

I don't doubt they could make it work. They've given me more than enough reason to have faith in them.

And about making a character's moves based off of animations from another series.... like you said about Tanooki Mario.... I agree. However... I honestly believe that Ness and Ice Climbers got moves from the Yo-yo and Hammer abilities in Kirby Superstar. I lack proof of course. It's just a hunch.

[Hiker of Games]

Eh. I think the arguments against characters like one from AC are pretty tired. Yeah, it makes sense, but Pokemon Trainer doesn't make sense. So why not?

Besides. It doesn't matter what moves the character has from their respective games. Sakurai can just butcher them like Wario and pull a moveset out of nowhere.

[Flip]

masamune said:

Eh. I think the arguments against characters like one from AC are pretty tired. Yeah, it makes sense, but Pokemon Trainer doesn't make sense. So why not?

Besides. It doesn't matter what moves the character has from their respective games. Sakurai can just butcher them like Wario and pull a moveset out of nowhere.

If that bastard doesn't give Wario his Body Slam...

[Da Robot]

The AC character rumor has appeared on GoNintendo.com

gonintendo.com/?p=26011#comments


Unfortunatly, people in the comments section say its faked.

[kirbychu]

Eh, Animal Crossing characters are just as battle-ready as Game & Watch characters. If Mr. Game & Watch could be in Melee, I don't see why an AC character couldn't. They even have more fighting potential than Ice Climbers did.

[Arcadenik]

Uh... Okay, so AC characters can't be in the game because their only tools that let them attack other AC residents don't even hurt them at all in the games? Wow... Since when did G&W's sausages hurt people? Since when did G&W's oil hurt people? Since when did G&W's jumping on a trampoline hurt people? Since when did G&W use the helmet, the turtle, the cement box, the manhole cover, the key, the chair or the parachute to hurt other people? All his attacks in the original games were attacking a fort with a torch, hitting moles and judging people with hammers, gassing bugs and juggling balls with his spray can.

Its like saying in order for a character to get in Brawl as a fighter, their game series must involve violence and/or death in some form. Maybe Duck Hunt Dog can be in Brawl because his game involves violently blasting ducks to their deaths! I mean, that must be why Dr. Mario was in Melee - the viruses violently died in pain caused by his killer pills. Maybe an AC character can be in Brawl because you could actually kill a roach by violently stepping on it!

[Fryguy64]

Are you guys... arguing... on the same side? I can't tell who is for an Animal Crossing character and who is against any more...

[kirbychu]

I only skimmed the topic... too many huge posts... so I don't really know what's going on. But a lot of people seem to be saying an AC character can't be in because there's no implied fighting in AC games. Seems kind of a moot point to me, since really, the same could be said about Mr. Game & Watch or Dr. Mario.

I figure Arcadenik was doing the same, but who knows?

[Arcadenik]

Two words: Doctor Wright.

Have you ever seen Dr. Wright attack people by building a skyscraper in SimCity? And he's only an Assist Trophy!

Just imagine what an Animal Crossing character could do as a fighter...

[Smashchu]

arcadenik said:

Two words: Doctor Wright.

Have you ever seen Dr. Wright attack people by building a skyscraper in SimCity? And he's only an Assist Trophy!

Just imagine what an Animal Crossing character could do as a fighter...

Assist Throphy=/=PC

[Arcadenik]

I know that... But you can't deny the fact that Sakurai took something from a totally nonviolent game like SimCity and came up with an attack that pays homage to SimCity, even if he's only an AT. So what's to stop him from making a PC out of someone from a nonviolent game like Animal Crossing?

[Johans Nidorino]

Both Assist Trophies and playable charactesr are Nintendo characters after all... In fact, I've always preferred non-fighter characters over those who were fighter characters in the original games (I used to despise the ideas of Little Mac, Pro Wrestling characters, some Fighting-type Pokémon, and non-Nintendo fighting game characters). But fighters and non-fighters are both important as long as their games are important.

arcadenik said:

Maybe Duck Hunt Dog can be in Brawl because his game involves violently blasting ducks to their deaths!

The hound using a Zapper by itself is so made-up, I think what will happen first is that it gets moves which summon Zapper blasts that come from the foreground.

[thores]

Guys the article has been confirmed as fake! Why is nobody talking about that?

[Smashchu]

thores said:

Guys the article has been confirmed as fake! Why is nobody talking about that?

Becuase this i9s far more interseting, and no it has not.

The person who posted the scan was someone else who was leeching of the rumor. He was not theguy who reported/made-up the original rumor. So it is still a floating rumor.