Well, she's been ripped! **SPOILERS**

[Neko Neko Panic]

younglink said:

Look at how silly the physics of Paper Mario series is - when it comes to Super Paper Mario, the problem became obvious - and STILL many people buy the game!

What was wrong with it, again? I played it and it seemed fine...

[Fryguy64]

It was... err... rubbish?

You have to remember, Sakurai may be the guiding force behind Brawl, but he is not the only person to have worked on the game. He's made this wonderful thing and seems to have left it very open-ended - potentially for his "team" to carry on working on it after he's left.

And while I'd love to see a sprite version of the game ala Jump Super Stars, the idea of Intelligent Systems going near it after the travesty that was Super Paper Mario is too much to bare.

[Neko Neko Panic]

I really don't think it was that bad..........

[Fryguy64]

nekonekopanic said:

I really don't think it was that bad..........

OK, I've been through my opinions on SPM already, but to summarise:
1. It's boring.
2. It's makes you perform monotonous chores in order to advance.
3. It forces you to run back and forth through the same, bland levels time and time again on uninteresting fetch-quests.
4. Why did you have to go into the menu every time you wanted to select a Pixl? Only about 3 of them got regular use anyway.
5. The 3D effect was woefully underused - only good for specific puzzles. Why use a bar? It reeks of not being used to its full potential!
6. The Pixls as well -- they seemed really tacked on to the Wii version, when they mostly add very little to the game as a whole (the hammer one was good, and the floaty one was faster than Mario... just give Mario a hammer and make him faster!)
7. Peach, Bowser and Luigi were also horribly underused, pulled out of hiding for obvious big jumps and boss battles, and then put away again almost immediately.
8. The whole game was up its own arse. It acted like an RPG and a platformer, without ever really feeling like either of them.
9. Character designs were mostly appalling.

In summary, I was even more disappointed with Super Paper Mario than many worse games, because it should have been great. It was coming from Nintendo and Intelligent Systems, had the entire Super Mario series and Paper Mario RPGs to draw inspiration from, and had a 2D/3D effect that was full of possibilities. But the focus was on the story, rather than the game or the special effect... and that is why it fails.

On the plus side, it had a handful of funny moments, and some of the puzzles were clever. But not enough of them to redeem the whole.

[Smashchu]

I disagree, except it felt more like an RPG then a platformer (which defeats the purpose). A platformers with RPG elements would be great. You can tell by the first level that it was a great concept. But once you get past world 3 (and even before then) it tends to fall apart and get themey.

Had potential, and was a good game, but they lost focus.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Its a Mario game that I haven't been bothered to put much playtime into.

Therefore, it must be bad.

[Manspeed]

I liked it. Fry is right about all that, but I still liked. It's not every eternity that you get a Mario game with a solid storyline to it, but knowing Fry, that's apparently bad thing.

[mopinks]

Super Paper Mario is a game you either hate because of its many glaring flaws or love in spite of its many glaring flaws.

(I'm in the second camp.)

[Dances in Undergarments]

robert said:

I liked it. Fry is right about all that, but I still liked. It's not every eternity that you get a Mario game with a solid storyline to it, but knowing Fry, that's apparently bad thing.

Because you can't play a game about a fat Italian plumber eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles without a coherent storyline, right?

[Manspeed]

I see you're close-minded enough to not see that the series has evolved beyond that. Besides, that post you're ragging on came from the same guy who found inspiration in a cartoon/toyline about giant transforming robots and a few shows about singing and dancing puppets, and refers to himself as "Man-Frog" after a character he personally created.It's not surprise that I'd actually want, or at least beleive that a good storyline can be built out of something like Mario, and SPM delivered that.

[Smashchu]

dancesinunderwear said:

robert said:

I liked it. Fry is right about all that, but I still liked. It's not every eternity that you get a Mario game with a solid storyline to it, but knowing Fry, that's apparently bad thing.

Because you can't play a game about a fat Italian plumber eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles without a coherent storyline, right?

But it doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

[Dances in Undergarments]

It doesn't mean its a bad thing. But if you are sacrificing gameplay for story, you might as well, you know, go read a book or watch a movie. Then you get your story, and then some.

[Fryguy64]

I am a massive fan of gameplay over story. If you have a great game mechanic, and you tackle it from every angle, you will have a potential classic on your hands. All of the best games in the world have solid gameplay utilised to its fullest.

Now, if you wrap a great story around that, then it can be amazing and stand out as a true classic. But the gameplay has to be able to stand alone and still be enjoyable, otherwise you're simply using story to cover up a poor play mechanic.

Take something like The Legend of Zelda. The play mechanics are worked out to be solid and enjoyable. I can imagine dungeon questing in Zelda, fighting enemies and giant bosses and solving those puzzles... I can imagine an enjoyable game coming from that alone. The fact Zelda also gives us a great (if somewhat confusing) storyline, it has become one of the most loved series ever. It caters to people who prefer gameplay and storylines.

Super Paper Mario catered to the typical storyline crowd. Strip away the story and all that is left is a confusing mess of functions that make you question why any of them are there. And the best play mechanic? The 2D/3D switch? Not used to its full potential - in fact it was barely used at all.

Super Paper Mario was a badly made game. I'm glad some of you were still able to enjoy it, but you probably rate storylines higher than gameplay. I rate gameplay much higher than storylines, because I grew up with Nintendo games. Mario runs around and jumps on things, Link runs around solving puzzles and chopping things, Samus runs around shooting things... the gameplay is solid, and the storylines are bonus material. Lose the gameplay, you lose the game. And that is why Super Paper Mario makes me sad - it is not a "Nintendo" game.

[mopinks]

I never ever rate storylines higher than gameplay, but I still liked Super Paper Mario. I guess I'm just more forgiving!

I really appreciated the fresh ideas the game had, even though they didn't execute them nearly as well as they should have. there's certainly no denying that some of the levels just flat-out suck.

[The Qu]

According to FFShrine, the missing numbers have been found:

snd_bgm_X12_SIMPLEINTRO (Classic Mode Intro)
snd_bgm_X14_ENDING (Classic Mode Ending)
snd_bgm_X24_HOW2PLAY (How to Play)
snd_bgm_A11_MLRPG02 (Another piece from one of the Mario & Luigi RPGs)
snd_bgm_A12_MORINOKINOKO ("Mori no kinoko" = Mushroom Forest...which game? Could it be...SMRPG?!)
snd_bgm_C06_KAZENOSAKANA (Ballad of the Windfish)
snd_bgm_E04_COOKIE (Yoshi's Cookie)
snd_bgm_G06_COMMAND (Star Fox: Command)
snd_bgm_J01_STAGECHANGE (No idea...maybe BGM for when Castle Siege changes forms?)
snd_bgm_J05_ERABARESHI (Erabareshimono = "The Chosen One(s)")
snd_bgm_K02_SENTOUONIISAN (Battle with Masked Man from MOTHER 3)
snd_bgm_K03_EIGHTMELODIES (Eight Melodies from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_K04_SMILEANDTEARS (Smiles and Tears from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_K06_BECAUSE (Because I Love You from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_M14_WARIOSTAGE (Another Microgame$ tune)
snd_bgm_N04_RADIOTAISO ("Radio Taisou" = Radio Exercises)
snd_bgm_Q03_SPORTSMEDLEY (Soccer / Baseball / etc. on the NES, probably)
snd_bgm_R01_WILDTRACKS (No clue...)
snd_bgm_S01_MAINTHEME (MGS Main Theme...no doubt taken out of the main game because of the composition controversy)
snd_bgm_S09_BEATMANIA (MGS music from Beatmania?)
snd_bgm_T04_HOWTOPLAY (Original "How to Play" music?)
snd_bgm_U05_UCANDO ("You Can Do It"...? Probably another vocal track.)
snd_bgm_W22_DX55 (The missing Melee track...Fourside?)
snd_bgm_Y06_ADV06 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y12_ADV12 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y18_ADV18 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y19_ADV19 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y20_ADV20 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y21_ADV21 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y22_ADV22 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y23_ADV23 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y24_ADV24 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y25_ADV25 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y26_ADV26 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y27_ADV27 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y28_ADV28 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y29_ADV29 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y30_ADV30 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Z09_FLUIGI (Luigi's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z12_FKUOPA (Bowser's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z13_FPEACH (Peach's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z14_FZELDA (Zelda's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z15_FSHEIK (Sheik's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z19_FFALCO (Falco's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z20_FGANON (Ganondorf's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z24_FZEROSAMUS (ZSS's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z26_FLUCAS (Lucas' Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z27_FDIDDY (Diddy's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z28_FPOKETRAINER (Pokemon Trainer's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z32_FDEDEDE (King Dedede's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z33_FLICARIO (Lucario's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z34_FIKE (Ike's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z37_FPURIN (Jigglypuff's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z38_FMYU2 (Mewtwo's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z39_FROY (Roy's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z41_FTOONLINK (Toon Link's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z52_JCLEAR1 (Some accomplishment music...probably for clearing a stage / event)
snd_bgm_Z53_JCLEAR2 (More accomplishment music)
forums.ffshrine.org/showthread.php?t=49628&page=91
Makes me sad to see Yoshi Cooke content as well as all that glorious Mother music cut... And The Ballad of the Wind Fish! Gah