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Post by TV Eye on Mar 27, 2008 20:09:29 GMT -5
R.O.B. doesn't look like he is fight-worthy despite being recognizable and he still got in anyway. I doubt the majority of Brawl players know who R.O.B. is. He's a normal Pokemon. His only special attack is pretty much just Pay Day. Otherwise, he just scratches and bites. How many hammer characters do we need? Also, don't you think it's be kinda cheap fighting someone who had an infinite supply of green shells...and Chain Chomps? You just basically described what he would do as an AT. I don't see him doing that on the battlefield. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 27, 2008 20:38:32 GMT -5
LOL. Correcting me by saying the majority of Brawl gamers doesn't know R.O.B. without countering my statement about R.O.B. being not fight-worthy and still got in. Meowth is a Normal-type Pokemon, so? And Jigglypuff is not a Normal-type? All she does is sing and sleep, other than that, she floats and pounds. How many hammer characters do we need? One more doesn't hurt.. I mean, we already have many sword characters.  Have you actually played Mario & Luigi 2? If you did, you would know that Baby Mario doesn't throw shells, he rides them... so it wouldn't be cheap for Baby Mario to throw shells all the time since he doesn't do that... he could just charge his shell and ride it across the stage... kinda like Jigglypuff's Rollout.. as for the Chain Chomp.. again, in M&L:PiT, he rides it so in SSB4, he would ride the Chain Chomp around like Wario's side special. Sure, Toad could work as an AT... but he also could work as a fighter using those moves I just described. I remember reading one post somewhere in this board where some poster were saying he couldn't see Olimar as a fighter and that he would be better suited as an AT so.... |
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 27, 2008 20:57:47 GMT -5
You said R.O.B. is recognizable. I said he wasn't. Therefore, recognizability is null and void.
Isn't one normal-type Pokemon enough? Why not add someone cool, like ghost?
Riding shells and Chain-Chomp's just doesn't sound like it would work.
No one said Olimar would be better as an AT. Unless you could assist me in finding where?
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 27, 2008 22:16:47 GMT -5
Yes, I may be wrong on my statement of R.O.B. being recognizable... but that doesn't change the fact you did not counter my statement of R.O.B. not being fight-worthy. R.O.B. isn't fight-worthy and yet Sakurai was creative enough to make him into a fighter. Someone cool? What's this? Cool contests? Name one popular ghost Pokemon that could work in Smash. Gengar? Sableye? Dusclops? It's a shame they aren't as iconic as Meowth. Whatever do you mean, riding shells and Chain Chomps don't sound like they would work? Suppose Baby Mario's standard special is riding the shell.. you just press and hold the button to get Baby Mario standing on the shell and charging it.. release the button to zoom the stage with the shell and you could change directions with the control stick... basically it works like Jigglypuff's Rollout. Suppose Baby Mario's side special is riding the Chain Chomp.. he just pull out the Chain Chomp out of nowhere and rides atop that thing.. and the Chain Chomp runs around the stage with the control stick like how you would control Wario's side special. This is what I found from that "Who should get the Assist" thread: I Cool idea. I can't imagine that Pikmin won't have a roll in the game, so it's best call is an AT I think. |
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 27, 2008 22:25:07 GMT -5
This is getting us no where.
So to end my side of the argument...
R.O.B. is fight-worthy. He's a fucking robot.
By "cool" I meant more interesting.
Baby Mario is pointless. Mario & Luigi 2 doesn't seem to be recognized by Nintendo at all. All it got in Brawl was a Shroob sticker.
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Post by The Qu on Mar 27, 2008 22:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 27, 2008 23:35:44 GMT -5
Why does this particular post always go out of control?
I have a lot I could say, but I'll just say this.
Arcadenik, you have a really big problem with sticking with a roster. You'll make up a roster and then stick with it no matter what. If it is a good roster, then you should only change things here and there to make the necessarily tweaks. But you constantly stick by one roster even when it's battered with criticism. Some of those suggestions are OBVIOUSLY bad. They are poor decisions (Overall Wario, MEOWTH, removing a Starfox character). You need to realize what and what not is a good decision. And that was the point of the topic (despite everyone just wanted to forget Nintendo and add every third party characters they could think of). So, Arcadenik, you really need to rethink your entire roster. Dismantle it and try again. It's terrible.
Sorry to get on the soap box, but try not to be sarcastic and mean. It's probably not that bad, but it's not nice to single one person out. Just try to be nice. If you do don't agree with someone, either change their mind or point out where their flaw is. Sorry, I'm probably going overboard, but just try to be nice to others.
And Flip, I think your Tingle idea is great. I'm not sure how it would work, or if it's the best, but sure is one of the most interesting. Props man. Props.
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Post by Flip on Mar 28, 2008 0:50:47 GMT -5
And Flip, I think your Tingle idea is great. I'm not sure how it would work, or if it's the best, but sure is one of the most interesting. Props man. Props. Thanks, but give credit where credit is due. That was all Flint, man ^_^;; And it was indeed very nice. Can I just say that Zelda having more characters than Mario, if we don't count Yoshi as "Mario," doesn't sit well with me? If you throw Yoshi into the Mario boat, which happens with the sticker effects, they're even steven. But Zelda getting 5 characters and Mario being stuck with 4 just ain't right. The next game DEFINITELY needs a fresh Mario face. |
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Post by Captain Walrus on Mar 28, 2008 1:43:27 GMT -5
But I guess I still cannot comprehend the awesomeness of removing Mewtwo and Roy and adding R.O.B. and Olimar. Wait...you didn't think Olimar was worthy? |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 28, 2008 6:24:22 GMT -5
All right, since my suggested roster is always criticized for the unpopular decisions, I will change the roster. Hope everyone or almost everyone finds this satisfactory and approves...
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Bowser Jr. / Shadow Mario (new #1) - much easier to make two semi-clones in one than making one original character like Geno
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong
8. Dixie Kong (new #2)
9. Yoshi
10. Wario
11. Link
12. Zelda / Sheik
13. Ganondorf - still Captain Falcon's semi-clone
14. Toon Link - still Link's clone
15. Vaati (new #3)
16. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
17. Dark Samus (new #4) - she would be Samus's semi-clone
18. Pit
19. Ice Climbers
20. R.O.B.
21. Kirby
22. Meta Knight
23. King Dedede
24. Pikmin & Olimar
25. Mii (new #5) - you customize this character with the new Fighter Builder mode
26. Fox
27. Falco
28. Wolf
29. Krystal (new #6) - the only Star Fox character who is not a semi-clone but still uses the Landmaster
30. Captain Falcon
31. Pikachu
32. Pokemon Trainer
33. Lucario's Replacement (new #7)
34. Jigglypuff
35. Another Movie Pokemon (new #8)
36. Marth
37. Ike's Replacement (new #9)
38. Ness
39. Lucas - still Ness's clone
40. Mr. Game & Watch
41. Snake
42. Gray Fox (new #10)
43. Sonic
44. Shadow (new #11) - he is Sonic's semi-clone who uses guns
45. RANDOM SELECT
I didn't remove anyone except for Lucario and Ike but they are most likely going to be replaced with more recent characters. That's still 9 columns but now there are 5 rows instead of 4 rows. Personally I don't really like this roster but to each his own.
P.S. I do think Olimar is worthy... even before he was confirmed. I was being sarcastic about Olimar since before he was confirmed, many would criticize against Olimar's inclusion such as how he cannot fight without Pikmin and that he is the size of a quarter.
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Post by Flip on Mar 28, 2008 10:23:40 GMT -5
See, that's a MUCH better roster Arcadenik. That's more what people are thinking.
I was having a chat with some folks last night and we basically came up with what I think to be a decent perception of who to expect next game as far as Nintendo or third parties.
We know there was interest in adding more DK, Mother, and Fire Emblem content. So I feel that those three series will see the biggest increase once again. I say we should expect to see more stuff from those games first. So... Let's say Dixie (since she was cut from Brawl), "X" Mother character (Another Mother 3 is most likely), "X" Fire Emblem character (in addition to Ike and Marth). If they really want to beef it up, King K. Rool would be a fun fourth addition to the DK franchise. Though, that may be pushing it.
The second highest growth for content was in Star Fox, Pokemon, and Kirby. However, I can't see another Kirby character being worth an addition. That leaves Star Fox and Pokemon. Star Fox has Krystal, and will likely keep the three it has already. She would be a staff fighter and fairly unique. Pokemon keeps the Trainer, Pikachu, and Puffster. Lucario's moves get placed on the new "legendary" in town. If they are feeling adventurous, I can also see another Pokemon Trainer-like character: the Rival or the Ranger. They would either work very similarly, or be more of a Snake-like character that fights hand-to-hand using Pokemon as Smashes/Specials. But Star Fox and Pokemon are NOT going anywhere.
Metroid gets another character, but still not Ridley. Dark Samus is a safe bet because, like my theory, "Samus is the only character worth having." So Metroid gets 3 with Samus, Zamus, and Dark Samus. If not Dark Samus, another option would be a hunter (though their popularity has since wained).
F-Zero gets another character only because it has waited so damn long. I can see Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow, but personally wish for Bunny Flyer or some other fun and perky female racer. It's up to the team, but F-Zero will definitely see a second fighter.
Now for the two staples: Zelda and Mario. Firstly, Wario and Yoshi stick with their one character each motif. As cool as Mona or Kamek would be, it ain't happening. Mario itself lost a character in Brawl but I feel would gain one back next game. Bowser Jr. is a good bet, and probably the safest, considering the other option, Geno, is locked away never to be seen again. Zelda either does or does not replace Toon Link, and if it HAS to add another character it would be Toon Zelda/Tetra. Zelda has basically run its course for really significant characters.
Every other franchise that is Nintendo does not get a new character, for whatever reasons they may be. As far as new franchises, the Famicom Wars series will probably see some representation (more likely if Snake leaves). Other series would be Golden Sun, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Custom Robo, Punch-Out, Joy Mech Fight, and Card Hero. I feel those are big enough, at least in Japan, to have a character thrown into the fray. Takamaru would also be likely to appear as the new "Pit," with a "ROB/Game & Watch" being something like "Hanafunda Man" or something.
Presuming Sonic and Snake return, we will most likely see Tails enter the fray as a fighter. He is the second most likely Sega character and one that people would kill for. Snake does not bring buddies but rather Konami would probably send over another popular character: Simon. Castlevania and Metal Gear are the two big-ticket series for them and make the most sense for additional fighters. If there are more options to add characters, Sega would add another Sonic character (Knuckles or Robotnik) and Konami would tap Hudson for Bomberman.
As far as other third parties, the most likely contender would be Namco because of a long-standing good relation with Nintendo. They would either throw in Pac-Man or Klonoa, though a Soul Calibur character would not be farfetched either (Sophitia or Cassandra would kick ass). Capcom and Square are not likely in my mind because they are very iffy with Nintendo. Capcom would likely add classic Mega Man but he is not a "hot property" right now so Capcom is basically a wild card. Square would throw in anything, really, so it's not safe to say one way or the other right now.
Overall, that's how I feel about everything. Characters to expect, franchises to see more of, and third parties that will kill to get in. And, for the record, my track at guessing Smash rosters is about 60/40. I predicted a good chunk of the Melee and Brawl newcomers well before release. So... yeah. Suck it.
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Post by Spud on Mar 28, 2008 10:35:05 GMT -5
Actually a Nicely gimmicked Ghost Pokemon would be quite nice.
Say like Ghastly. Gastly fights using Ghost And Psy moves but is unable to grab or use items other than food (he has no hands) after doing so much damage he will evolve into Haunter. And gets some power boosting. Again after so much damage is done he will evolve into Gengar. ( of course you can cancel the evolution) Gengar has feet and moves a little slower but is much more powerful and had multi jumps.
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Post by Smashchu on Mar 28, 2008 10:57:53 GMT -5
And Flip, I think your Tingle idea is great. I'm not sure how it would work, or if it's the best, but sure is one of the most interesting. Props man. Props. Thanks, but give credit where credit is due. That was all Flint, man ^_^;; And it was indeed very nice. I meant Flint. Sorry for mixing up the names. |
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 28, 2008 11:01:20 GMT -5
Actually, Gengar alone would make an awesome Pokemon. He could use Hypnosis (like Jigglypuff's Sing) and Dream Eater (Like Rest, but it would give him health).
He could also use Mewtwo's old moves like Shadow Ball and Teleport.
GENGAR FOR SSB4!
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Post by rukifellth on Mar 28, 2008 11:01:34 GMT -5
Why not Gardevoir? OK, she's a psychic, but she's awesome!
She could use ballette like movements, and specials like:
B: Energy Ball: A bit like Mewtwo's and Lucario's B attack...
^B: Teleport: Duh...
>B: Psychic: She psychically grabs an opponent who stands somewhere infront of her (no matter how far) and throws them from that distance...
vB: Future Sight: Like Lucario's Double-Team...
Final-Smash: Barrier: Like her Assist-Trophy ability, nullifies all damage done to her for a while. Also recovers some of her damage...
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Have you actually played Mario & Luigi 2? If you did, you would know that Baby Mario doesn't throw shells, he rides them... so it wouldn't be cheap for Baby Mario to throw shells all the time since he doesn't do that... he could just charge his shell and ride it across the stage... kinda like Jigglypuff's Rollout.. as for the Chain Chomp.. again, in M&L:PiT, he rides it so in SSB4, he would ride the Chain Chomp around like Wario's side special.
