Who would be next to enter the Smash Spotlight

[Smashchu]

At a time like this, it is hard to wonder who they could add next. Even with the suggestions we put out of the characters we asked for, it still seems hard to make it work. Trying to cram these guys into the roster, seems harder then it looks.

He said [Sakurai] that he chose the characters he chose were based on importaince and also reality. Doshin the Giant could work, but would be out of place. But then we look at Ridley. Could we ever get him to work. How would he move. How big would he be. Sakurai probably looked at these characters from different angles. People wanted Ridley, but he didn't get in. How much does popularity really matter.

Then there is fitting characters into the roster. We do have an All-Star cast here. He probably took hours deciding this. It makes me wonder. Would someone like Krystal fit into Brawl? Would it feel natural? Would it be justified? Or an Animal Crossing character. I though "Yeah, it could work, and it would be cool" but it would seem out of place. But, then, do we see it as a sport? Are these chatracters all coming together to see who is the greatest?

It's something that is really boggling. I am curious as to who you could add. There are so many questions that it's hard to sit back and make another 16 character roster, even with third parties. How could they add, and why would they?

[TV Eye]

I think this thread was made for that purpose...

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I view the other topic as more of a game than a discussion (although it also has discussion value, as well). This is more of a look to the future than the Complete the Roster thread is; both are interesting topics of discussion, but they also traverse in different directions.

Anyway, here's my thoughts on the matter insofar as the topic at hand; I feel, personally, that nothing has really changed from what I thought made a character worth earning a spot in the roster between not knowing and then knowing the full cast of playable characters for Brawl. In the event that a new SSB comes along, with most important characters from Nintendo franchises drawn up into this series, Nintendo will have to reach deeper to get fitting characters. And now that we know clones are still fair game, it leaves us even further open to who could join the fray.

Knowing that, I anticipate that a lot of the characters we have as Assist Trophies now will likely become playable in the future; franchises will expand where possible; new franchises will be added provided they crop up between now and then. While I also hope that more third party characters will become part of the SSB cast as well, knowing how difficult it is to obtain the rights to do that makes me wonder if it will happen at all.

For an SSB4, I would finally like to see Samurai Goroh become part of the crew; he's an established F-Zero character (enough so to be an Assist Trophy, whereas all other racers are represented by trophies or stickers) and has his own flavor going into battle. I'd also like to see Saki Amamiya, Little Mac and perhaps Waluigi get upgraded for much of the same reason.

An extension to the WarioWare franchise wouldn't go unappreciated, either, given how many characters there are to draw from; I feel like Mona would be a swell addition, utelizing pizza, her guitar and her scooter as means of attack. Since she's always running late in WarioWare games, her style of combat could be hurried, hectic - almost manic, really, similar to Pichu in Melee.

On that note, I would like to see Mewtwo and Pichu come back, really; I'm not a huge fan of Lucario, and in my mind Mewtwo has more staying power than he does, so it'd be nice if SSB4 bumped him out and brought back our favorite psychic mutant cat and spastic, big-headed mouse. Both made for very unique playing styles that I'll actually kind of miss.

Now that I know Falco is a permanent installment to SSB, I don't mind if Krystal joins the fray as well; she's got relevance to her franchise and could be converted into an interesting fighter. Besides, Star Fox is the only franchise in SSB to have as many playable characters per game to represent which installment of the series you're playing (one for SSB, two for SSBM, three for SSBB).

Mario could also benefit from Bowser Jr., I think - again, knowing that clones are fair game. He'd make an interesting Luigi, to be honest, maybe even using his paint brush for some attacks and a Landmaster for his Final Smash.

As for a new WTF character to sit alongside ROB and Mr. Game & Watch...I'm thinking a Nintendo Hardware Man, who is made out of various Nintendo consoles and handhelds; to make things more interesting, he's composed of JP, US and UK versions of the same systems (you know, the US' rectangular, gray-and-black NES as well as Japan's Disk System and Famicom). I think that'd be pretty neat.

Basically, there's a lot of room and a lot of potential, the matter is just waiting for it to come about. Brawl is supposed to keep us occupied for yeaaaars to come, so unless Nintendo releases a Brawl 2.0 that just has more stages and characters while forgoing new modes of play, we won't see any of this sort of stuff for a while.

[mopinks]

sgtmajorkururu said:

Mario could also benefit from Bowser Jr., I think - again, knowing that clones are fair game. He'd make an interesting Luigi, to be honest, maybe even using his paint brush for some attacks and a Landmaster for his Final Smash.

if they did make Bowser Jr. a clone, I can only hope he'd have the giant robot Bowser from Sunshine as his Final Smash, in place of the Giga Bowser transformation. how awesome would that be, seriously?

sgtmajorkururu said:

As for a new WTF character to sit alongside ROB and Mr. Game & Watch...I'm thinking a Nintendo Hardware Man, who is made out of various Nintendo consoles and handhelds; to make things more interesting, he's composed of JP, US and UK versions of the same systems (you know, the US' rectangular, gray-and-black NES as well as Japan's Disk System and Famicom). I think that'd be pretty neat.

this is exactly why I want 9-Volt to join the cast. he's already a one-man tribute to Nintendo history. and good lord, if his Final Smash was something involving the Virtual Boy I'd die happy. maybe a Mario Clash tribute, wherein the screen turns red and black and he runs into the foreground to assault everyone with koopa shells.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Ideally I - as in me - as in my opinion, settle down fanboys - would put a huge focus on 3rd party characters. Tei has mentioned already some good Nintendo choices based on whats there as assist trophies (except Krystal - not because I'm an anti-Krystal fanboy, but because 3 starfox characters is already overkill - hell 2 is overkill in my mind), but really, they're all fairly minor. However, if it is possible - and I'd wager that it would have to be easier this time around, as they've already established it - to get a huge amount of third party characters in there, then we get our important notable characters and the different playstyles that come with them.

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I agree that more third party characters would be a logical step in the right direction; I'd actually support that move at this point because it'd bring a different kind of freshness with it to SSB. But as much as I'd love Megaman, Alex Roivas, or Pac-Man to join the fray, securing the rights to them seems like it'd be an outright difficulty by comparison.

[The Qu]

/\ Doesn't Nintendo own Alex Roivas along with the Eternal Darkness IP?

[mopinks]

yeah, it's not even 100% guaranteed that the third party characters from Brawl would be back in the next game. licensing is an annoying mess.

Megaman is really a given, though. he was the NES, as far as I'm concerned. and they'd better give me the real Megaman and not one of the dozen spinoff versions!

[Dances in Undergarments]

I would think that yes, it would be difficult, but when you consider the fact that it was done already for Brawl, and all signs point to Brawl being a huge success, that we may see more 3rd party companies perhaps pushing from their end to get their characters in, rather than having to have Sakurai and Ninty do the leg work.

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thequ said:

/\ Doesn't Nintendo own Alex Roivas along with the Eternal Darkness IP?

Was talking about this with Thores over AIM last night; Silicon Knights, the group that made Eternal Darkness, own the rights to the franchise and all related characters and whatnot; the only thing Nintendo holds is the patent on the Sanity Effects system. So, granted, an ED game without Sanity Effects isn't much of an ED game at all, but there's nothing stopping Silicon Knights from making the next installment on the 360 or PS3, even using the same characters if they wanted. SK used to be a second party to Nintendo but left shortly after ED's release on the GameCube; fortunately, they parted on friendly terms, so there always is the possibility of Alex being in an SSB game.

Also, DiU, that's a good point I didn't consider; while Snake was pretty much given to Sakurai due to his closeness with Kojima, Sonic sounds like he was a little bit harder to come by. Hopefully Brawl's success acts like a lube for third-party dealings in the future.

[The Qu]

Aw man, it sucks Nintendo doesn't own Eternal Darkness. I was hoping for a sequel eventually.
If Brawl does have a sequel, I'd expect Snake to be back because Kojima was the one to ask for his inclusion. Sonic would probably be back because of Nintendo and Sega's close relationship. After all, the Wii has most Sega Consoles on it through VC.
Who's Ninty? I saw him mentioned on Neogaf a few times and thought it just meant Nintendo. Is he the other member of Sora Ltd.?

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I think Ninty is Nintendo. And also, there's a pretty high likelihood an ED sequel will happen, it's just a matter of where. Denis Dyack, the game's producer, said that he had most of it planned out, that there were more Ancients aside from Chattur'gha, Xel'lotath, Ulyaoth and Mantorok; they need to focus on other projects (namely, Too Human) before it can come to pass, is all.

[Neko Neko Panic]

One character I would love to see in a Smash Brothers game someday (as in, I don't even really expect it for the *next* one, assuming there will be more than one in the future) is Travis Touchdown. Sure, his game is rated M and is quite bloody, but as a character he is quite silly and not really that dark, so I think he'd fit well in Smash.

Also, I second Alex Roivas.

[Wildcat]

Qu - I think DiU meant it in the same fashion - it's short for Nintendo...unless I'm wrong.

Anyway, who would be next to enter the spotlight...an excellent question. I do think that Konami and Sega will be considered very wise to have let Snake and Sonic enter Brawl, and that their inclusion will open up the flood gates for a few more third party fighters in the sequel. Who should make it? Well, Capcom's an easy choice, and Mega Man would fit right in. I think Namco Bandai have a good chance as well, and Paccy would (with some work) make a solid character...(although I'd rathe rhave Lloyd or someone else from Tales of Symphonia...but that's just me being greedy ).

As for Nintendo characters...man. Mewtwo should come back. Without a doubt. When I think Pokemon, I consider Mewtwo near the top of the list. I think that Sakurai did pick a good bunch to come in Brawl - Kirby is now well represented, DK isn't alone anymore, Olimar is included...but there are a couple who need to appear next time:
Little Mac - Punch-Out!! screams to be in Smash Bros., and while I'm glad he made it in as an assist, he could go the extra mile and be a full-on character next time.
Samurai Goroh - I must agree with Deadpool; Goroh can be a great concept to design. He'd be the slowest sword fighter, and he'd pull out all the dirty tricks in the book to win. Wouldn't that make for a different kind of fighter?
I have more, but I need to think about how to structure their explanations.

[mopinks]

sgtmajorkururu said:

I think Ninty is Nintendo. And also, there's a pretty high likelihood an ED sequel will happen, it's just a matter of where. Denis Dyack, the game's producer, said that he had most of it planned out, that there were more Ancients aside from Chattur'gha, Xel'lotath, Ulyaoth and Mantorok; they need to focus on other projects (namely, Too Human) before it can come to pass, is all.

in other words, expect Eternal Darkness 2 sometime in 2018!

more like Too Human Forever, amirite?