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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2008 19:50:53 GMT -5
^ In Brawl, every character is a trophy brought to life. Their are no other "worlds". When you play Smash Bros., you're not playing as the original Mario or Donkey Kong, you're playing as trophy recreations of them.
There is no story in Smash Bros., or Nintendo for that matter. Miyamoto just likes to fuck with us.
"Hey everybody! Let's split the Zelda timeline in 4 other directions to further confuse our loyal fans!"
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Post by Manspeed on Mar 4, 2008 20:25:21 GMT -5
Those trophy recreations are pretty fragging realistic for trophy recreations.
I'm almost certain Miyamoto himself isn't the one handling the Zelda timeline either. That seems to be Aonuma's doing.
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Post by Spud on Mar 4, 2008 20:29:22 GMT -5
Taking SSB into account, it could be said that each of Nintendo's worlds has their own time streams that advance idenpendently of one another, thus allowing time to pass more quickly in some worlds than in others. It makes it easer to reason why Mario fights one Link in Melee then two more Links in Brawl. Yes. I think no one was arguing that. Mario, DK, Yoshi, and Wario all take place in the same world therefore these four franchises must follow the same time stream... which is why DK = Not Classic DK makes absolutely no sense when you factor in Mario, Wario, and Yoshi's franchises. If DK was a standalone franchise in its own world (like Pikmin or Zelda), then DK = Not Classic DK would have made sense since you don't have to factor in Mario's age (why should I when Mario, Wario, and Yoshi are nonexistent in DKC games?) How about Link = Young Link in Melee. Or perhaps Mario =/= Mario. After all we know [Mario Galaxy Spoiler] Luigi =/= Luigi, we saw two of them at the same time.[/Mario Spoiler] Which would stand to reason then that DK =/= DK any way making DK = Classic DK or DK = Cranky Kong irrelevant as both are independent of each other following this logic. By this I mean Perhaps Donkey Kong is not the one exclusive Donkey Kong at any one time. Perhaps Donkey is not Cranky or Classic DK but another DK present in the Cannon, Perhaps DKC Donkey is not Mario Donkey, Or even perhaps He is sometimes Mario donkey. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 20:41:02 GMT -5
Guys. Seriously. |
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Post by Spud on Mar 4, 2008 20:43:06 GMT -5
Guys. Seriously.TEi, my boy, these piece of hobo posts are what all true warriors strive for. (i'm reffering to ours not yours. ;D) |
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2008 20:55:28 GMT -5
 Gee, it sure is boring around here! |
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Post by Spud on Mar 4, 2008 20:59:41 GMT -5
 I feel kinda bad rummaging through Smashchu's photo bucket for this. |
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Post by Neko Neko Panic on Mar 4, 2008 23:07:31 GMT -5
Cranky = Classic DK? DK = Not classic DK? If Cranky = Classic DK and Mario = Jumpman.... why isn't Mario an old retired carpenter? We mustn't forget Pauline. In Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2, Mario sent the Mini-Marios to save Pauline from DK (who is apparently not classic DK but DK Jr.'s son).... why didn't Mario and Pauline age like classic DK did? Are Mario (Jumpman) or Pauline's ages explicitly stated anywhere in the classic Donkey Kong game, or its manual? I contend Mario and Pauline may have been young adults at the time and Classic DK, while still very fit, could have been middle-aged. Plus it would explain why Mario was a "carpenter" at a construction site; he could have been an all-around contractor before settling exclusively on plumbing later on. As for Smash, why is Ness around Lucas? I'd say the characters enter the tournament and will come from different worlds, dimensions (the game Pokemon and the anime ones that are Mewtwo and Lucario, since they talk with their anime voices and say things that would directly connect them to the anime ones), timelines (TP Link from the main Zelda timeline and Toon Link from thefuture timeline), and years (OoT Zelda characters and TP ones, Ness and Lucas). They're invited and brought in from different times and such. ATs could reason the same. If Roy was in and got sliced by an 18 year old Lyn when she's got to be in her 30's in Fire Emblem 6, clearly there are time differences. Smash automatically doesn't effect continuity. Smash is it's own world, where the heroes are all actually statues that have been given life and only think they are the characters they are modelled after. And before someone jumps on my ass saying "then why are you using something from Smash to talk about continuity" I'll explain that I feel it is showing that this is Nintendo's stance on the DK/Cranky relationship: that DK is the grandson of the DK from Donkey Kong.
Guys. Seriously.What? This is Nintendo Database, is it not? Should we not be striving for complete informations about the Nintendo games and, therefore, their content, which would include canon (or lack thereof)? I think this is exactly the sort of debate that belongs on this here messageboard.
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Post by Wildcat on Mar 4, 2008 23:21:41 GMT -5
Wow, how this thread has snowballed. *backs away slowly*
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2008 23:25:15 GMT -5
Guys. Seriously.What? This is Nintendo Database, is it not? Should we not be striving for complete informations about the Nintendo games and, therefore, their content, which would include canon (or lack thereof)? I think this is exactly the sort of debate that belongs on this here messageboard. lol, then let's discuss continuity in the Zelda CD-I games, while we're on the subject. But before that... I wonder what's for dinner... |
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Post by Neko Neko Panic on Mar 4, 2008 23:30:59 GMT -5
What? This is Nintendo Database, is it not? Should we not be striving for complete informations about the Nintendo games and, therefore, their content, which would include canon (or lack thereof)? I think this is exactly the sort of debate that belongs on this here messageboard. lol, then let's discuss continuity in the Zelda CD-I games, while we're on the subject. But before that... I wonder what's for dinner... Sure, you're free to. ...in another thread. This thread is about DK continuity. |
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Post by Flip on Mar 4, 2008 23:38:55 GMT -5
Wtf happened to Tiny Kong?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Mar 5, 2008 6:14:18 GMT -5
You know what the easiest thing to do is? Take the official line. Yes, it changes sometimes. Yes, sometimes mistakes are made and then reversed. Sometimes you just have no choice but to take the official line and ignore the holes. These are not airtight continuities. For the most part, Nintendo's games rely on being great games, rather than building on a story. The entirety of the Mario series is renowned for its gameplay purity and its shockingly simple and repetitive storylines. Characters are created and then return in increasingly bizarre situations. It's like a pool of elements that Nintendo draws from and adds to with each title to improve the gameplay experience. There were two Donkey Kongs up until Game & Watch Gallery 4 on GBA - Rare's and Nintendo's. Now Rare's has all but usurped Nintendo's, even in games based on the classic DK games (the Mario vs. Donkey Kong titles, for example). These two characters have been used interchangably for a few years, but as Nintendo improved on its consistency just a few short years ago, it would seem Rare's DK has won out as the standard. So where does that leave us now? - Cranky Kong is the original Donkey Kong.
- For the last 13 years, Cranky Kong's grandson has taken over the role of Donkey Kong. Their relationship has been stated numerous times in numerous sources, and once been ambiguously states as to suggest "son". I do not know if the Japanese translation of Donkey Kong 64 righted this wrong, but assuming as this debate seems to be English-centred, I'm guessing it was fixed.
I'll tell you where it doesn't leave us - and that's with the completely baseless assumption that DK is Donkey Kong Jr. all grown up. Like I said - we have a pool of characters to draw from, and I can guarantee that Nintendo's stance is that DK and DK Jr. can both be drawn upon separately. Mario Tennis 64 would be the best place to start. |
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Post by Neko Neko Panic on Mar 6, 2008 2:01:49 GMT -5
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Mar 6, 2008 2:44:46 GMT -5
Well, shit. So who's the guy in DKC3 then? LabKoat K.Rool? |
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