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Post by parrothead on Jun 19, 2008 21:42:05 GMT -5
Several people are playing far away from a small television screen with lights on to avoid making their eyes itch or get into photosensitive seizures. I'm doing this, but there is a problem. It sometimes become difficult for me to look for the character I am controlling and the characters I'm fighting against. So what I wish the next SSB title to have are slightly larger characters and slightly smaller stages in order to make it easier for me to find the character I'm controlling and the characters I'm fighting against. Can't you just play on a bigger TV? Using a larger television set for video gaming would increase anyone's risk at having a seizure. Also, I recently got a brand new, flat-LCD television set, which is kind of small. |
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Post by Koopaul on Jun 23, 2008 20:51:38 GMT -5
So I was thinking and many should agree that one thing we need is balanced franchise representation. Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon dominated this game... again.
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Post by Smashchu on Jun 23, 2008 21:31:25 GMT -5
You know, this seems to be getting to the point where we're all just complaining about everything that ISN'T in this game. Because before it was out, we were all, "DUDE THIS GAME WILL BE EPIC!" And for now it's like: "I wish they kept this and put in that and so on..." But yes, sporadic banana-less tripping is lame. Actually, look back on this thread. It was 90% speculation and discussion on what we wanted. This thread is the same. So I was thinking and many should agree that one thing we need is balanced franchise representation. Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon dominated this game... again. Probably not going to happen, or be wise. Those franchises dominate because they are the most prominent. They are the three best selling games and have a lot of content, not to mention the most popular. They should get more. Also, by what you imply, small franchises like Kid Icarus and Warioware should get more, but they don't have as much and there are not as many request for those characters. So, by doing that, you'll add a lot of crap to the game rather then adding content people want. |
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Post by TV Eye on Jun 23, 2008 21:34:57 GMT -5
So I was thinking and many should agree that one thing we need is balanced franchise representation. Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon dominated this game... again. The only representation Zelda got was 2 original characters, two clones, and 1 crappy level. Mario had 4 original character and 6-8 levels (depends on how you look at Mushroomy Kingdom and 75m). If anything, Zelda needs better representation. |
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Post by Smashchu on Jun 23, 2008 21:46:13 GMT -5
So I was thinking and many should agree that one thing we need is balanced franchise representation. Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon dominated this game... again. The only representation Zelda got was 2 original characters, two clones, and 1 crappy level. There are no clones in Brawl. Technically, Toon Link isn't even a clone. |
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Post by TV Eye on Jun 23, 2008 22:34:39 GMT -5
No, he's still a clone. Doesn't mean he's not a completely different character though...
What I'm saying is that the characters from Zelda that were made clones had the potential to be completely original. I still love playing as Toon Link and Ganondorf, but they are clones. No doubt about it.
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Post by Smashchu on Jun 24, 2008 0:28:57 GMT -5
No, he's still a clone. Doesn't mean he's not a completely different character though... Clone implies the character has the exact same moves as another character, but the moves change in properties and the character's stats change. Luigi was never a clone despite having moves similar to Mario. Becfuase of this, Toon Link can't be a clone as his Up Smash, Forward air, and and back air are different. The characters in Brawl are varried anough from their original copier that they can not be called clones but are "Luigis" or have been "Luigified". Toon Link is the closest to a Luigi. The farthest is probably either Ganondorf or Lucas. Basically, they are not clones by definition just that Sakurai isn't very creative with the special moves. No if, ands or buts about it. |
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Post by Spud on Jun 24, 2008 10:25:21 GMT -5
No, he's still a clone. Doesn't mean he's not a completely different character though... Clone implies the character has the exact same moves as another character, but the moves change in properties and the character's stats change. Luigi was never a clone despite having moves similar to Mario. Becfuase of this, Toon Link can't be a clone as his Up Smash, Forward air, and and back air are different. The characters in Brawl are varried anough from their original copier that they can not be called clones but are "Luigis" or have been "Luigified". Toon Link is the closest to a Luigi. The farthest is probably either Ganondorf or Lucas. Basically, they are not clones by definition just that Sakurai isn't very creative with the special moves. No if, ands or buts about it. Until you reflect that Luigi is a Mario clone. So just because they are "Luigified" dosn't mean the are not still mostly clones. The Smash airs matter but very little compared to the Specials as the word "special" implies uniqueness. |
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Post by Smashchu on Jun 24, 2008 11:37:57 GMT -5
Clone implies the character has the exact same moves as another character, but the moves change in properties and the character's stats change. Luigi was never a clone despite having moves similar to Mario. Becfuase of this, Toon Link can't be a clone as his Up Smash, Forward air, and and back air are different. The characters in Brawl are varried anough from their original copier that they can not be called clones but are "Luigis" or have been "Luigified". Toon Link is the closest to a Luigi. The farthest is probably either Ganondorf or Lucas. Basically, they are not clones by definition just that Sakurai isn't very creative with the special moves. No if, ands or buts about it. Until you reflect that Luigi is a Mario clone. No, Luigi is not a clone. He had similar moves, but never were the exact besides 64 (he even has a unique special move which by your definition makes all the difference). In fact, I just said that. Sorry Spud, but your definition is wrong. Clones are characters who are pretty much the copy. They have the same moves, just vary in the stats and properties. The name comes from the six characters in Melee who were, for the most part, model swaps with a few changes here and there. That's where the name came from. Luigi was not considered a clone as he still had moves that were different from Mario (so in that respect, your wrong). Toon Link isn't a clone becuase he is a different character. Since some of his moves were different, he is not a clone. Look back at Melee. You'll see the "clones" were copies. Luigi was not. The same holds true for Wolf, Ganondorf, Falco, Lucas and Toon Link. |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Jun 24, 2008 11:57:28 GMT -5
But they share a bunch of moves and because characters-ripping-off-a-bunch-of-other-characters-moves is a little long people simply refer to them as clones even though they know they aren't exact copies. No doubt the 'personalised hammers' aka Final Smashes being very similar is also a factor.
Aslong as their specials and a bunch of A moves are similar they'll always be clones to me, no matter how wrong I may beee!!
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Jun 24, 2008 13:23:24 GMT -5
The characters in Brawl are varried anough from their original copier that they can not be called clones but are "Luigis" or have been "Luigified". Toon Link is the closest to a Luigi. The farthest is probably either Ganondorf or Lucas. Those ones are called "wannabes". On another note, what really REALLY got a WTF out of me is 50 SSE save files. What's with this? |
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Post by Smashchu on Jun 24, 2008 16:16:10 GMT -5
On another note, what really REALLY got a WTF out of me is 50 SSE save files. What's with this? So you can play it again and again and again. No real biggy. Probably the space the game allowed. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jun 24, 2008 20:52:56 GMT -5
Clones are characters who are pretty much the copy. 'Clone' is a term made up by fanboy nerds, so there can't be an exact definition applied to it (or, there can, but everyone's is different). |
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Post by Koopaul on Jun 24, 2008 20:55:22 GMT -5
Toon Link is far from "Luigified"
I'd say (in my opinion) If a character shares more than 60% of another characters moves he is a "clone".
Luigi has several unique moves, even more in Brawl than before.
B Side
B Down (NEW)
A Up
A Down
Smash Forward
Running Attack
Aerial A Forward
Aerial A Down
Final Smash
They are all unique to him. Someone like Toon Link who has like, I don't know, 2 unique moves can't compare to that.
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Post by Game Guru on Jun 25, 2008 2:12:30 GMT -5
One level? Zelda has two not counting Temple, and Great Sea kicks major butt.
And really, what OTHER Iconic characters ARE there from Zelda, besides Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, and what can Ganondorf do with a sword that Ike couldn't?
Also, we've seen the characters Nintendo thought they might add right in the code... Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Sheik, Roy, Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, and Plusle & Minun.
I have a theory that you can get six clone characters for the work of one single original character. Let's assume the same team designs each character, why would six potential fighters albeit clones get dumped? Because the team had to add an extra original fighter at the last minute. Which fighter? Why Sonic the Hedgehog, of course! He was decided on in 2007, while the rest of the fighters, including the dumped ones, were decided on in 2006. Imagine an alternate reality where Sega never bothered... We would've gotten Dr. Mario, Roy, Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Sheik, and Plusle & Minun instead of Sonic.
Let's go back to Melee, why wasn't Snake added? Konami was late in asking, very much like Sega supposibly was. Because Nintendo probably already added Falco and Ganondorf at the time and there really WAS no time to do another character from scratch. Imagine an alternate reality where we actually GOT Snake in Melee... It would've cost us the 6 clones from Melee.
Besides, you seriously think that Nintendo would just throw out Falco, Wolf, Ganondorf, Toon Link, and Lucas? The fans are already angry about losing Mewtwo, when at best he would be a clone of Lucario!
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