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Post by Dry Mario on Aug 1, 2008 5:00:43 GMT -5
How exactly do you figure that? Because they appeared, no doubt among a bunch of other obscure characters, in a most likely one region only niche Wii game? Oh yeah... because the Ice Climbers didn't... |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 1, 2008 5:36:39 GMT -5
Ice Climbers wasn't one region only, for starters. But what I mean is, I'm not sure a relatively minor appearance in Captain Rainbow is enough to bounce LittleBigMac and Takamaru the Frigid up from Assist Trophy and Sticker respectively to playable characters.
It certainly couldn't hurt their chances, but it also raises a new question - for those of you that want Little Mac, would you accept his smash form being the fat one? Ditto for Takamaru - what if he got in, not as the noble samurai from whatever-his-game's-name-was but as the goofy, nosebleed-getting caricature from Captain Rainbow? Would that be preferable to no playable appearance or not?
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 1, 2008 6:20:32 GMT -5
Hell, I wanna see what the non-obscure characters would look like in Captain Rainbow!  |
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 1, 2008 16:43:35 GMT -5
Ice Climbers wasn't one region only, for starters. But what I mean is, I'm not sure a relatively minor appearance in Captain Rainbow is enough to bounce LittleBigMac and Takamaru the Frigid up from Assist Trophy and Sticker respectively to playable characters. You make a good point, but them appearing again can help fan's interest in the characters, which could help. |
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Post by Dry Mario on Aug 1, 2008 19:48:02 GMT -5
It depends, I think that the inclusion for new characters in Smash have to do with how the characters might enter specs-wise rather than popularity-wise. It is an Action/Fighting game, after all. I really think that some Assist Trophies where a step appart from being Playable characters, but time constrains are never good. With that said the possibilities for Little Mac seemed better and still might be better because punches never get old. In the other hand Takamaru was a problem because there are already enough sword users. Takamaru might enter in a point of time in which the roster is big enough to actually need another swordsman.
Anyway, soon or later it will not be a matter of choosing more than to see "who is left?" Sakurai said it himself, there has not been any new franchises with characters that could enter, or at least that coukd be programed (No double teams with different moves like Diddy/Dixie or Plusle/Minum or weird moves like Sukapon). Captain Rainbow might be a sign, but otherwise if this continues with such a secuelisation as it's going in 4 or 5 years that Sakurai has to sit to plan the next Smash no new new chatacters will be elegible over new old ones.
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Post by parrothead on Aug 2, 2008 15:51:57 GMT -5
Characters with good potential and are either popular or not are easier to work on than characters that are just popular and don't have many moves in their own games. For example, Takamaru not only slashes, but he also can throw shurikens, darts and torches, as well as cast lighting explosions and use his katana to hit projectiles and thrown objects. Samurai Goroh can only slash with his katana and drive his Death Stingray at his enemies. Even though he can get some made-up moves, he wouldn't be as interesting as Takamaru and it would cost more time and effort for the developers to create Goroh's move set. I'm not sure if Little Mac would work well enough, because of these two problems: |1.| He doesn't have enough interesting moves. All he does is his Star Uppercut and the "one-two punch" he learned from Doc Louis. I wish that Genyo Takeda would give an official name to the protagonist of the SNES Super Punch-Out!!. Why? Because the SNES boxer has more potential than Little Mac does. He has an official move set, according to the tutorial part of the SNES SPO!!: Knockout Punch, Rapid Punch, Counter Punch (Little Mac probably has this, too) and Power-Up. Rapidly taping the punch button in the NES Punch-Out!! games isn't officially called the Rapid Punch, because those are actually the "one-two punches". |2.| Boxers aren't allowed to grab and throw, unless you are Mad Clown in the SNES Super Punch-Out!!. Even though in real boxing, boxers can grapple each other, none of the boxers in the Punch-Out!! series have ever done that before, except for Bear Hugger, Mad Clown, Aran Ryan and Pizza Pasta. For throwing, however, Little Mac and the SNES boxer can probably do a powerful punch to send opponents sky high without throwing. What would be nice for SSB4 is the inclusion of Nintendo's shoot-em-ups in a certain part of something like the Subspace Emissary or Adventure Mode, where you can choose between these spacecrafts, aircrafts or other flying things and have fun shooting some enemies ahead of you: * Solar Striker from the Game Boy game of the same name. * Mario's Sky Pop plane from Super Mario Land 1. * Kirby's starship seen in Kirby Super Star's "Milky Way Wishes", where Kirby flies throw NOVA and destroys its core. * The main ship from Space Firebird. * One of Stafy's costumes that allows him to fly and shoot. Either the witch costume (from Stafy 1), which shoots stars that fly straight forward and blue triangles that home into enemies; the green dragon (from Stafy 2), which shoots fire and uses Stafy as a shield (  ) or that odd, helicopter-like animal (from Stafy 4). AND * If the original Mega Man appeared, then he would either use Rush Jet or use the spacecraft mode of Rush used in Rockman World 2 and 5 (known as the Game Boy versions of Mega Man 2 and 5). |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 2, 2008 16:14:43 GMT -5
They could either give Little Mac the SPO challenger's moves, or let Little Mac borrow some of the opponents' special attacks.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 3, 2008 1:21:08 GMT -5
That's what they did for Ness.
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Post by Flip on Aug 3, 2008 3:35:27 GMT -5
It's not that large a leap to make... Little Mac has been a long time coming, at least.
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Post by parrothead on Aug 3, 2008 20:51:50 GMT -5
That's what they did for Ness. Not exactly. Ness borrowed some moves from Paula, which they are both from MOTHER 2/SNES EarthBound. Ness didn't borrow any moves from Ninten or others from MOTHER 1/NES EarthBound. Little Mac is from one game, while the SNES boxer is from another. If the SNES boxer was officially confirmed as Little Mac, then either the NES boxer can borrow the SNES one's moves, or the SNES one can borrow some of the NES one's. |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Aug 3, 2008 21:00:45 GMT -5
Goroh needs to be in the next one. If not Goroh then Black Shadow or Jody or anybody. F-Zero will NOT be the one series in all four games with one character and little respect besides FALCON PUNCH.
Make Goroh a clone, or Shadow a clone. Hell, it makes more sense than freaking Ganondorf being a clone.
Sakurai needs to give F-Zero another character, even if he doesn't want to focus on adding just more characters. Give me Goroh or Black Shadow, and then do whatever you want, Sakurai! And I say this with respect, cause Sakurai's one of my favorite game designers. Kirby series is my favorite series, and he made Smash the way it is. This is just my biggest bone to pick.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 3, 2008 21:33:53 GMT -5
I can always think of a unique moveset for every and any character (as long as they have appendages) They may not all be perfect but its better than nothing...
It would be quite unique if Goroh wielded two swords instead of one. You could do some awesome cross slices that way. Anyway, I figure he could spin his sword like a propeller and use that as a recovery...
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 3, 2008 23:19:22 GMT -5
That's what they did for Ness. Not exactly. Ness borrowed some moves from Paula, which they are both from MOTHER 2/SNES EarthBound. Ness didn't borrow any moves from Ninten or others from MOTHER 1/NES EarthBound. Little Mac is from one game, while the SNES boxer is from another. If the SNES boxer was officially confirmed as Little Mac, then either the NES boxer can borrow the SNES one's moves, or the SNES one can borrow some of the NES one's. But they are both from the same franchise. How is it any different? |
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Post by rukifellth on Aug 4, 2008 10:07:16 GMT -5
Goroh needs to be in the next one. If not Goroh then Black Shadow or Jody or anybody. F-Zero will NOT be the one series in all four games with one character and little respect besides FALCON PUNCH. Make Goroh a clone, or Shadow a clone. Hell, it makes more sense than freaking Ganondorf being a clone. Haha come to think of it. I was toying around with colouration of SSBB characters and noticed that It would be possible for Wario to have a skin resembling Goroh. Anyways, about Ashley, I disagree about her not being important, in a Japanese poll, she was one of the most favoured characters, and ironically, so was DeMille (oops I said it again) And if they managed to make a character out of C.Falcon, then they can do it out of Ashley. As for Demille, I was actually toying with seeing if it would be possible to make him for SSB, and noticed that, I actually suceeded in adding all his weapons as a weapon that would work for SSB. Anyways, I did'nt mean to exagerate the amount of 3rd part characters, MGS and Sonic characters fellt enough for me, and maiby possibly a MEGAMAN character (considering that they where interested in the SSBB project), so I guess it's not to impossible... But there would be a new Adventure like SSE, how would it look like? What sort of a story would it be, and who or what would be the villians? Would Ridley and Porky return as playable characters? |
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 4, 2008 10:56:09 GMT -5
I'd rather have Orbulon over Ashley in terms of WarioWare characters. He could be a clone of Olimar! He throws those little pig things and his final Smash would be his pig spaceship! (Yeah, okay. That would suck)
Ashley though? That comes from the same poll where people requested Prof. Kawashima, so I'd take the results with a grain of salt.
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