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Post by Dasher Misire on Aug 5, 2008 22:52:20 GMT -5
I'd say the next step is a Nintendo Wars rep, Stafy, F-Zero second rep, Metroid true second rep, nostalgic rep (Takamaru or Sukapon please)... then a real crazy choice.
People suggested the character in the Hanafuda card game. That feels like the next logical step unless say Diskun is a choice. R.O.B. got modifications so why not him?
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Aug 6, 2008 2:02:50 GMT -5
It is a text adventure. You don't do any real fighting in the game. You just talk and change characters. C'mon dude, ROB wasn't an armed robot of destruction and look how awesome he is in Brawl. Plus Donbe's the kid with super strength so it's not impossible to turn him into a fighter. I'm not saying he makes a chance to appear in the next installment though. Well, maybe as a new AT. One SSB4 newcomer I'm expecting to show up would be Bowser Jr. He's appearing in the main Mario games as Bowser's right hand ever since Mario Sunshine so he's pretty well known and important, in a way. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 6, 2008 2:33:11 GMT -5
But it's still silly. I don't want the next Smash Bros. to be all a bunch of "Waluigis." There's plenty of opportunities for fresher and more original characters, even if they were just one-shots. I agree with Flip, because major characters from minor games or series are greater than minor characters from major games or series. Theres something major missing here though - there still exists a ton of major characters from major franchises. Snake and Sonic tore a hole in the third party wall, now SSB4 should completely break it down. Why argue whether Bowser Jr or Takamaru is a better choice when we've got Megaman waiting. Flood SSB4 with 3rd parties. Its what needs to be done. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 6, 2008 6:20:21 GMT -5
I love this complete idiocy regarding text adventures as "just a bunch of menu options". That's as retarded as saying Mario shouldn't be in there because he's just a bunch of button-presses.
Your choices in text adventure games are reflected and animated on the screen. Shin Onigashima and Yuuyuuki also both feature action sequences too - I've taken part in a boss battle with Gokuu using his staff, for example. Seriously... is Guybrush Threepwood just a bunch of menu options? Or is he a highly characterised creation with a move range that could easily be used to fill a roster?
They're well-fleshed-out characters and worthy of your love. Not as much as Takamaru, but hey... the more obscure I get, the better I feel!
Oh yeah, and that Punch-Out!! page is a mistake. No idea why I put that.
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Post by Flip on Aug 6, 2008 7:39:50 GMT -5
But it's still silly. I don't want the next Smash Bros. to be all a bunch of "Waluigis." There's plenty of opportunities for fresher and more original characters, even if they were just one-shots. I agree with Flip, because major characters from minor games or series are greater than minor characters from major games or series. Theres something major missing here though - there still exists a ton of major characters from major franchises. Snake and Sonic tore a hole in the third party wall, now SSB4 should completely break it down. Why argue whether Bowser Jr or Takamaru is a better choice when we've got Megaman waiting. Flood SSB4 with 3rd parties. Its what needs to be done. Ideally, and I argued that point for a while. I stopped touching it because it seemed to grind a nerve with people, however. And, frankly, if you think about it for real, are they going to add that many new 3rd party fighters? Likely not. Maybe 2-4 more, but the bulk of the roster remains Nintendo. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 6, 2008 7:50:13 GMT -5
Nintendo can add (theoretically), like, 20 3rd party characters and the bulk of the roster will still remain Nintendo.
Realistically, lets say there's 10 new characters again (not including transformations and blah de blah). Say, split that 50-50. 5 Ninty characters leaves enough room for a star of a new franchise (Captain Rainbow?), a star of an old franchise (Little Mac?), a secondary character from a secondary franchise (lets go Samurai Goroh), a Tertiary character from a major franchise (lets go Bowser Jr), and an obscure random WTF choice (lets go, oh, I dunno, Mr Resetti. That'll do). Then 5 third party characters can give us our major characters from major franchises (I could list plenty) and even a secondary character from one maybe (Tails?).
There, everyone gets something, the Nintendophiles still get their fix, people that don't know alot about games get new characters they actually know of, but they don't have to scrape the bottom of any barrels.
Surely people could live with that.
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 6, 2008 9:27:46 GMT -5
I love this complete idiocy regarding text adventures as "just a bunch of menu options". That's as retarded as saying Mario shouldn't be in there because he's just a bunch of button-presses. Your choices in text adventure games are reflected and animated on the screen. Shin Onigashima and Yuuyuuki also both feature action sequences too - I've taken part in a boss battle with Gokuu using his staff, for example. Seriously... is Guybrush Threepwood just a bunch of menu options? Or is he a highly characterised creation with a move range that could easily be used to fill a roster? They're well-fleshed-out characters and worthy of your love. Not as much as Takamaru, but hey... the more obscure I get, the better I feel! That was me. But everyone else already reassured me. Of all the text adventure characters, Son Goku is probably the best option. Staff fighters are kewl. Second would be Donbe, who could theoretically appear as he does in part 2, with a sword instead of a stick, and he'd be able to summon his partners a la Momotaro in DMTVWF. |
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Post by Flip on Aug 6, 2008 10:45:47 GMT -5
Takamaru is NOT the bottom of the barrel. Sky Skipper would be bottom of the barrel >.>
And if we're talking 3rd parties, I wouldn't count any of them as confirmed other than Snake and Sonic for Round 2. I can definitely see Shadow or Tails, but I don't think we'll be getting 3rd parties in such a crazy amount if Nintendo's at the helm. Sakurai is likely not working on the fourth one (or he may...), but even he was apprehensive with 3rd parties. Mega Man, Bomberman, Bonk, Simon, and all those others would be fantastic, but we can't assume their inclusion any more than we could assume the inclusion of Sonic. We were right in the end, but remember the torment until he was actually confirmed? And the fact that he was a late addition, last minute and past Sakurai's best wishes? And Sakurai never even followed his original intention of 3 third party characters anyways. Personally I think that as long as Nintendo is around we will not get the "ultimate fighting game" with everybody ever. They just wouldn't allow it.
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 6, 2008 11:44:21 GMT -5
@parrothead:I'd disagree with that statement. There are some old/one shot heros I'd like to see (Little Mac, Takamaru, Saki and I guess Issac if we want to count him too). But, this doesn't mean that Smash should just be these new characters. For one, there are lots of other secondaries left to use (2nd F-Zero character, Krystal, King K. Rool, Ridley) and not all of these one bit characters are actually wanted, or would be too interesting.
@fryguy:I think a lot of it goes back to the Animal Crossing dance. If the character isn't a fighter, they can't be in Smash. Could those guys be playable? Yes. Will they (assuming they get really popular or something)? Doubtful.
@captain Underwear:Flip alreadyt said everything I was going to say. I guess I'll add is the purpose of the third party characters are that they are guest. They aren't a main focus but instead an extra character joining the fray. Think Link in Soul Caliber (or Yoda and Darth Vader in SC4).
@flip:Sakurai will probably do the next one. He said he would "greatly consider" it or something along those lines. I'll find it again and post it.
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Post by Flint on Aug 6, 2008 13:24:52 GMT -5
Securing the rights to a third party characters to apear in Smash 4 is a big pain in the neck for Nintendo, Why should they bother to try if they got such a rich story of well known characters? Sure, they would increase sales a little bit, but not enogh to waranty their inclusion (think of it, would Bomberman make more people buy the game than Little Mac)
The only way we are gatting another third party character is if one of the following escenarios happen:
A)The developer who owns the rights to sunch a characters comes to Nintendo and asks them to put the character in the game (like what happend with Snake).
Sakurai said that no one aproached him this time asking to have his character included, thats why we didnt got a 3rd third party character . Ifamune mentioned in a interview that he would like to see Megaman in the game, so we might see him in the next game but thats it.
B)If the character has an HUMONGUS fan following (like Sonic did) that want that character in the game (now that reduces the options to Megaman, characters that belong to Squarenix and Master Chief).
Square and Microsoft probably would be extremly bitchy and ask for many things for their characters to apear in Smash 4, so Nintendo will probably find it not worth the trouble.
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Post by Sqrt2 on Aug 6, 2008 14:03:29 GMT -5
I'd like to see another DK rep or two, in SSB4 (Dixie and K.Rool maybe?) - and this time actually having a decent moveset, unlike Diddy. Why you ask? Because I was really peeved that the Kirby got two more reps in Brawl, yet us DK fans only got one!! *feels sorry for F-Zero and Metroid fans* As for third party characters in the next SSB, I've got three things to say on the matter: No, no and no!  |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 6, 2008 14:26:56 GMT -5
Dixie was already almost in the game, Kirby got two reps because his creator made the game, and I see nothing wrong with Diddy's moveset.
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 6, 2008 15:18:24 GMT -5
Pretty much what Man-Frog said.
A lot of it lies in popularity. Why else would we see characters like Ike and Lucas in the game. Now, I would like to see K Rool.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Aug 6, 2008 15:42:57 GMT -5
Kirby needed those two characters because they're old and important enough and appear frequently.
That banana move on Diddy Kong lacks meaning. Use something different for this, but continue not teaming him up with Dixie if it's not very necessary.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 6, 2008 16:48:04 GMT -5
I don't think Mario should have anymore characters. Like I said it the whole "if he gets in, why can't that guy get in?" Mario's got a solid character selection of the most important, anymore would ruin that.
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