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Post by commanderflint on Aug 25, 2008 14:24:09 GMT -5
Nintendo over the years had some moments with 3rd parties working together.....
SCII
MaSatOG
Triforce arcade system
Twin Snakes
EBA/Ouendan
RARE
SMRPG
Wario Blast
I don't know about the new Nintendo.... but over the years I'm pretty sure they shown how friendly they are to 3rd party companies. It's not much anyways. So what if Brawl could have had 2 more Nintendo characters in it? Snake and Sonic(I suppose) were great additions. I don't think the GBA, GCN, N64, GB, GBC, SNES and NES would have done that very well with out the likes of Contra, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter II, Megaman, and more.
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Post by Koopaul on Aug 25, 2008 15:23:34 GMT -5
Again, if you were in Sakurai's place, would you rather have characters that people can identify with, or characters that would make just a small group of people happy for a small period of time? I don't mean to sound harsh, but if the Nintendo fans were taken into consideration, then the casual gamers (the Wii's main target) would feel left out in not knowing who so-and-so is. See, thats where your wrong. Casual gamers don't care who is in the game as long as they are having fun. It's the fans that care about what characters are in the game. |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 25, 2008 16:02:59 GMT -5
At least a character like Takamaru is the main character of his game, and said game seems to be of particularly good quality. In this instance, his obscurity shouldn't really matter.
DiU and TV Eye are acting as though we all want that first Goomba from SMB and the ship from Space Fever playable. The fact that most of us got mad at Arcadenik for his rampant Duck Hunt Dog obsession should've clued you in.
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 25, 2008 16:05:30 GMT -5
Brawl is a celebration of the Nintendo of now. A Nintendo who values third parties. Given that their are only a handful of decent 3rd party titles for the Wii (the Wii port of RE4 excluded), I don't see how you can justify this claim! *sigh* You call yourself a Nintendo fan but completely ignore the DS? A system that's been thriving on mainly third parties now for over a year? |
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 25, 2008 16:12:43 GMT -5
I'm mearly pointing out that all the best Nintendo characters have already been chosen! Takamaru wasn't mixed in with Birdo and Tracy in Captain Rainbow for nothing, you know...
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Aug 25, 2008 18:04:37 GMT -5
Brawl is a celebration of the Nintendo of now. A Nintendo who values third parties. Given that their are only a handful of decent 3rd party titles for the Wii (the Wii port of RE4 excluded), I don't see how you can justify this claim! There's barely a handful of decent Nintendo games for the Wii, either. Every single successful Nintendo console has had a strong backbone of third party titles, and to ignore that is ridiculous. DiU and TV Eye are acting as though we all want that first Goomba from SMB and the ship from Space Fever playable. The fact that most of us got mad at Arcadenik for his rampant Duck Hunt Dog obsession should've clued you in. Compared to a Pacman or something, Takamaru is barely above Goomba. |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 25, 2008 19:43:15 GMT -5
Assuming the game wasn't always meant to be Nintendo-centric, which it is.
Unless they decide the next game is the new DreamMix TV World Fighters or something, it's still Super Smash Bros., and chances are we won't get more than another two third parties.
Now you're acting like obscure characters are the bane of your existence or something. That's no better than the ravenous third party haters, such as Koopaul.
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 25, 2008 20:53:24 GMT -5
Assuming the game wasn't always meant to be Nintendo-centric, which it is. Is that why Snake and Sonic is in it? Or why there are only a few Nintendo enemies in the Subspace Emissary? How 'bout the original items as well? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Times have changed. The series started out as a party fighter with Nintendo characters. It's evolved over time into a beloved series with doors open to new things. |
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 25, 2008 21:41:17 GMT -5
Then where the hell are Bomberman, Mega Man, Pacman, Goemon, Simon Belmont, Twinbee, Tails, Knuckles, Master Higgins, Milon, Bonk, Klonoa, Ryu, Ken, and Optimus Prime?
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Post by Smashchu on Aug 26, 2008 0:53:49 GMT -5
Assuming the game wasn't always meant to be Nintendo-centric, which it is. Is that why Snake and Sonic is in it? Or why there are only a few Nintendo enemies in the Subspace Emissary? How 'bout the original items as well? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Times have changed. The series started out as a party fighter with Nintendo characters. It's evolved over time into a beloved series with doors open to new things. Yes, becuase there wasn't a but load of Nintendo trophies, worlds, characters, and musics, the chronicles, demos added with the game (none from Sonic and Snake) and stickers not to mention only two third party franchises were added and nothing else besides those two (and even they had very few arranged tracks). Did we play the same game? Yes, there are guest characters, but people forget the term guest. The theme is Nintendo. Is Soulcaliber all about Star Wars or Mortal Kombat all about DC comics. NO< and it's some how a mirical that they don't have fans that spew that. Could there be more third party characters? Yes. Could they be removed. Yes. Is Smash Brothers a Nintendo fighting game. YESIt doesn't tajke a rocket scientis to put 2 and 2 together and get that it's a Nintendo fighting game with two new characters. Times are changing is far from the truth. I am being harsh, but this is a point that comes up far to often. Doing the math, the third parties take up ~5% of the roster. The other 33 selectable characters (not counting the others) are all Nintendo. There is no proof that Smash is no longer not a Nintendo fighting game. It is a Nintendo centric fighting game. Period. Top selling games for the NESUgh. Actually, you'll probably look more to Sony for strong third party back bone. Nintendo usually dominated their own console. Of course, the SNES did pretty well in the third party category. Casual gamers don't know all of these character though. Their memory banks will run dry pretty quick. Again, they are casual, so they don't have a strong back history with Nintendo. Not to say your point is invalid, it is true, but generally speaking, it wont hold true in all cases. Snake is one example as his game is targeted to the upmarket. Also, I think Commanderflint brings up a great point. |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Aug 26, 2008 3:00:47 GMT -5
Golf is in the top 10 of top-selling NES games? Mind blown. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 26, 2008 3:40:51 GMT -5
Baseball and Mahjong are also up there for Japan ;D
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Post by TV Eye on Aug 26, 2008 9:03:01 GMT -5
Whatever.
It seems I can't get through most of your thick skulls so I give up. You're so fixated on your little world with a third party prejudice. Maybe I appreciate third parties more because I was raised on Sony, but whatever.
Also, Smashchu, when did I say SSB wasn't a Nintendo fighting game? I feel like you're putting words in my mouth and I don't like it.
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Post by Manspeed on Aug 26, 2008 9:29:49 GMT -5
Where did I ever say I was prejudice towards third parties!? I like them as much as anyone else, but the fact remains that SSB is a NINTENDO game. So it prides itself on NINTENDO characters.
You're just trying to justify the fact that you don't give a shit about obscure Nintendo stuff and would rather have every third party character known to man in the next SSB. It isn't going to happen. Nor will Birdo be made playable.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Aug 26, 2008 10:42:39 GMT -5
Chillax guys.  What has happened here is someone's declared the importance of third parties to Nintendo consoles past, and someone else has declared said statement to be misleading based on actual sales figures. Them's good arguments, not insults against third parties. Fact is, there's only a small handful of third party publishers who have had success on Nintendo consoles with any regularity. If you look at the American released on the NES, the only publisher with sales that touch Nintendo's is Capcom. Enix did considerably better in Japan thanks to the insane clamouring over Dragon Quest. But really, that's it. Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat head up the SNES third party list with a bit of Squaresoft in there... but again, at the lower-end of Nintendo's tremendous sales. I'm no fan of Smash Bros. changing into a general celebration of videogames, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-third parties. I'm just pro-Smash Bros. retaining its focus on Nintendo history and games. The core gameplay is built around Nintendo's platformers, and you couldn't easily cut characters without upsetting series fans to accommodate the refocus on non-Nintendo characters. I'd much rather see a separate series featuring a load of famous third party characters, rather than a ton of Nintendo ones and a teeny selection of third parties. Give them the equality and respect they deserve. Meanwhile, SSB can continue filling itself with much loved playable characters, such as Takamaru, Sukapon, DeMille, Stafy, Jill... etc. etc. |
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