Donkey Kong Junior = Donkey Kong of today?

[parrothead]

This was copied and pasted from Wikipedia. It does have citations in the Donkey Kong Junior (character) article, making it more reliable.

According to Rare, the developers of Donkey Kong Country, there are multiple Donkey Kongs, with the modern one who appears from Donkey Kong Country and onward is actually a grown-up version of Junior himself. However, in the actual in-game dialogue, Cranky refers to the current Donkey Kong as his "grandson" and Nintendo has interpreted this literally. The character Diddy Kong was going to be an updated version of Donkey Kong Junior. However, Nintendo did not like this idea, suggesting either to give him his old look or make him a new character. Rare chose the latter and Donkey Kong Junior became Diddy Kong. In addition, the later release of Yoshi's Island DS gives this conflict of Donkey Kong Junior an unexpected loophole, as this game introduces Baby DK. This contradicts from Rare's statement about the current Donkey Kong because during the events of Donkey Kong Jr. (the game), Mario is fully grown. In Yoshi's Island DS, Mario and Donkey Kong are both infants, further putting this conflict into obscurity.

This is confusing. Rare should of let Shigeru Miyamoto take care of the plot of the Donkey Kong Country series. Perhaps Nintendo will remake the Donkey Kong Country games in several more years to help show the power of the next home console's graphics chip.

[Koopaul]

Oh boy not this again... The can of worms you just opened!

[Grandy02]

Wasn't that discussed here?
fryguy64.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=ssb&action=display&thread=2642&page=1

TMK's Kongtroversy special is also worth a read:
themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml

The big universe of Mario, including the DK universe, is a fictional universe that doesn't take itself serious and isn't known for it's consistency in terms of story lines. One reason is that so many different people (from different continents) have worked on the series, the other reason is that they never wanted to make a Lord of the Rings with a strict timeline out of Mario. The confusing identities of Cranky and Donkey are one of those inconsistencies. The partly blurry aspects of the stories of this universe are what give Mario fans a lot of stuff to discuss about.

[Manspeed]

Oh God...

-Wikipedia isn't the be-all and end-all of info repositories.
-Baby DK could easily be Cranky, since he and Mario are technically the same age despite Cranky being an old geezer.
-Miyamoto let Rare handle the plot of DKC on purpose. Specifically because DK had no backstory to trifle with in the first place.
-Therefore, Miyamoto doesn't care one way or the other.
-Rare's original intention was to make DK the original DK Jr., and Cranky the original DK, after Nintendo told them that their Diddy design couldn't work as a modernized version of DK Jr.
-Somehow they ended up putting "grandfather" instead of father in the games up until DK64.
-Whether he's Cranky's son or grandson doesn't matter, because they're still two different DKs, and both ways explain why DK Jr. isn't around any more.
-Why do people hate this concept so much? Are they that nailed to their precious "retro" bullfuck?
-Fry is gonna kill us all for A) dredging this stupid "debate" up again, and B) Me posting my points in list format.

[Flip]

IMMA GONNA DO IT! IMMA CHARGIN UP MAI ARGUMENT....!!!!




...the current DK is DK Jr. grown up, and Baby DK is Cranky. *GASP*

CRANKY IS IN MARIO SLUGGERS!!!!11

[Fryguy64]

You should all know I have two opinions on this matter:

1. Donkey Kong (DKC) and Donkey Kong Jr. are separate characters, and it is never stated in any game that they're same character. It was stated on the Rare letters page once in an off-the-cuff comment along the lines of "Yeah, I guess he might be..." (can't be arsed to drag up the direct quote) which is hardly hard, cutting evidence. I'm not saying Cranky isn't DK (Arcade) or even bringing up the separate father/grandfather debate - It is never stated or suggested anywhere that DKC-DK and DK Jr. are the same, and should be treated as two separate characters entirely to prevent the onset of total retardation.

2. Who gives a flying fuck anyway? They're fictional monkeys.

[Johans Nidorino]

You'll be happy when you decide not to take things so literally and start reckoning that the statement "Cranky Kong is an ancestor of DK" can be seen as a metaphor that arcade games are ancestors of SNES games.

Sorry if that brings up the father/grandfather debate, but they're linked to each other anyway.

[Grandy02]

Oct 19, 2008 13:31:49 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

2. Who gives a flying wizzle anyway? They're fictional monkeys.

Wait, aren't they apes? But what is Diddy, is he a monkey or an ape? The Donkey Kong Land manual says "Water doesn't faze our ape heroes either". But an ape wouldn't have a tail as long as Diddy's. And how can Diddy be DK's nephew then? Is he even his nephew? But wait, doesn't Peach have a Toad grandmother? If you can crossbreed humans and Toads, does the same work with apes and monkeys?

;D ;D ;D

[BeamClaws]

Actually toads are midget humans with mushroom hats. Peadh just got really tall and settled for a crown instead. Ok I know this may not be Canon, but still.

And ape is just a generic term, I think.

[Manspeed]

The manuals use whatever simian-related word they want whenever they want. Kongs may as well be the name of their specifies.

Peach's mother must have been a human, and her grandmother in SMRPG must come from her father's side. That's the only plausible explanation I can think of.

[BeamClaws]

She never had a mother or father, she was adopted by an old toad who is called her grandmother and came from the same place the Mario Bros. did, that seems likely to me.

[Boo Destroyer]

The thing about Mario's world is that it's set up so that fans can have it any way they want according to their imagination.

You can have your visions of it, I can have mine.

[TV Eye]

My theory? Cranky Kong is a hermaphrodite, who had sex with himself, forming Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong was such a super soldier that the military decided to clone him. The cloning process backfired resulting in two separate clones, DK Jr. and the Donkey Kong Country DK. DK Jr. saw how obese America was getting so he got into shape. He lost a lot of weight and went by a new alias, Diddy Kong. He even started going out with Dixie!

Cranky however became senile. He started to believe he was his son (the original Donkey Kong). He believed that killing his son would awaken his memories. He killed him, and as a curse, he lost both genitalia. That's why he doesn't wear any pants in the DKC games.

There, now everyone knows the true story.

[Hiker of Games]

One thing that always amuses me about NinDB is that we can get into discussions about the most obscure games - even get nasty if someone doesn't know that Stanley's original debut was Greenhouse and not Donkey Kong 3 or engage in fierce debates about who deserves to be in the next edition of Smash Brothers.

But the moment it comes to exploring the storyline and canon of the video game, you're consider crazy.

[Boo Destroyer]

Oct 19, 2008 15:12:08 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

My theory? Cranky Kong is a hermaphrodite, who had sex with himself, forming Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong was such a super soldier that the military decided to clone him. The cloning process backfired resulting in two separate clones, DK Jr. and the Donkey Kong Country DK. DK Jr. saw how obese America was getting so he got into shape. He lost a lot of weight and went by a new alias, Diddy Kong. He even started going out with Dixie!

Cranky however became senile. He started to believe he was his son (the original Donkey Kong). He believed that killing his son would awaken his memories. He killed him, and as a curse, he lost both genitalia. That's why he doesn't wear any pants in the DKC games.

There, now everyone knows the true story.

You should definitely post this on TMK (The Mushroom Kingdom).

Better yet, DKU/DKVine.