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[Fryguy64]

Apologies all for the length of this post...

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

I usually associate stubborn with unreasonable or difficult.

From Dictionary.com:
STUBBORN
1. Unreasonably obstinate; obstinately unmoving: a stubborn child.
2. Fixed or set in purpose or opinion; resolute: a stubborn opponent of foreign aid.
3. Obstinately maintained, as a course of action: a stubborn resistance.
4. Difficult to manage or suppress: a stubborn horse; a stubborn pain.
5. Hard, tough, or stiff, as stone or wood; difficult to shape or work.

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

Also DK makes Diddy stand watch because he is teaching Diddy to be a better video game hero I do believe.

Yeah, as part of his hero training... and DK was going to relieve Diddy at midnight, but he didn't... he slept through it and lost his banana hoard.

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

That part at the end isn't stubbornness, rather just playful aggression. Me and my brother used to wrestle all the time.

Urgh... Are you really doing this? OK then...

So when brothers or friends playfully fight, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that no part of that involves a stubborn desire to win an ultimately pointless fight?

Because I know how that feels right now... and trust me... we're both guilty...

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

And I don't remember DK agreeing to have his hoard stolen, rather Cranky set the whole thing up for him.
And if he did agree, wouldn't that make not him stubborn? Seeing how he agreed to something.

Oh for fuck's sake.... From the manual:

Cranky Kong, aging video game pioneer and primate patriarch, swayed back and forth in his rocking chair as he harrassed his grandape, Donkey Kong, and his little buddy, Diddy Kong.

"Well, I've got to admit, your last adventure was a bit more successful than I ever thought it would be..." he jibed. "Course, put a few fancy graphics and some modern music in a game, and kids'll buy anything nowadays..."

Donkey and Diddy tried to discretely cover their ears as they stared out into the jungle surrounding Cranky's cabin. The old ape continued his taunting.

"Back in our days, understand, we had an extremely limited color palette to work with, and we still made great games...No way you could duplicate that feat today, Donkey my boy! No siree!"

Cranky had been going on and on like this for what seemed like hours, and Donkey Kong finally had had enough.

"People like Donkey Kong Country for more than just the 'fancy graphics,' you old coot!" he snapped. "The number of colors, the resolution, it doesn't make a difference. It was just plain fun!"

"Yeah, and we worked hard fighting K. Rool and his goons!" Diddy chimed in. Both he and Donkey still had the bumps and bruises to prove it.

Cranky nodded his head knowingly. The two youngsters had predictably risen to the bait and swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

"So you're saying that an adventure like your last one would be a success even on an 8-bit system, like...Game Boy, for example..." Cranky said slyly.

"That's right!" DK exclaimed without hesitation. Diddy joined him in accepting the challenge.

"We'll even let the Kremlings steal the banana horde again, and this time we'll get it back on Game Boy!" Diddy boasted. Hey, a golden opportunity to get out of DK's ridiculous guard duty training, he thought to himself.

"I'll believe it when I see it!" Cranky scowled. "I'll call old K. Rool and arrange everything. You'll wake up tomorrow without your bananas."

Donkey and Diddy looked at each other, realizing they had been set up.

"This time, the Kremlings will hide your bananas in all new places around the island." Cranky continued gleefully. "I'll tell the King to spare no expense and bring out some new tricks and foes for you, too. No more cushy adventuring for you two, no siree."

Donkey could barely contain his anger. He was hoping he could just loaf around the tree house tomorrow, after all, the Banana Bowl was on, and...But he wasn't about to let the old ape get the best of him.

"Bring it on, old ape, bring it on..." was all he said as he stalked off to the tree house. He was going to get some sleep for the adventure ahead.

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And just to doubly prove how stubborn he is using the source material:

"So you're saying that an adventure like your last one would be a success even on an 8-bit system, like...Game Boy, for example..." Cranky said slyly.
"That's right!" DK exclaimed without hesitation. Diddy joined him in accepting the challenge.

...So even though DK was TOTALLY WRONG, he still fought back. Because DKL is balls

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

In DK64 DK willingly agrees to help K. Lumsey a Kremling he had never met before. That's being very agreeable don't you think?
His animations actualy suggest DK is confused about what he is supposed to do. Not stubborn, just stupid.

Well, I think you're being stubborn and stupid at the same time - so why can't the same be true of DK?

Nov 21, 2008 10:23:58 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

And I don't really associate his motives in MvsDK because they made him a bad guy on purpose. And like I said before, DK shouldn't be the antagonist of yesteryear. While I own and enjoy both Mario VS DK games, I feel a tad disgusted that DK was turned into such a jerk. I know he's brutish, stupid, and even aggressive... but he isn't a thief.

Jesus... Everything in your post was stupid, because it pointed towards something very clear. You're not arguing for Rare DK or Paon DK... you're arguing for Fanon DK! The DKU DK... You're ignoring all official sources and using content you (and other Fanon guys) have conjured out of thin air. You are being selective about the official source material you read, and arguing for this totally invented, non-canon world where DK is just a nice guy who helps people and loves bananas.

And thus I end the argument, because I can't possibly continue arguing with someone who is MORE revisionist than Nintendo! For one, it's utterly pointless because you don't even read the source material, and second because I would actually have to kill you for being such a pain in the ass.

[Koopaul]

I think this is all a matter of interpretation. You see stubborness where I see oafishness.

DK falling asleep after midnight is not being stubborn, obviously.

Also in that manual description that I already knew about, like I said before, that's not agreeing to have his banana hoard stolen. It's more of Cranky getting DK worked up and then tricking him.

And I said "shouldn't" not "isn't" I am NOT DISMISSING Mario VS Donkey Kong, I just don't like it.

And now I'm a revisionist because I say DK is supposed to be a kind, good ape? I could argue your reading into sources too much and being just as selective. I can't see why you would say that DK isn't a nice guy who helps people and loves bananas. Because you know, that's what he does! Only you seem to have an excuse for every good thing that he does, you ignored my K. Lumsey statement because you can't come up with an excuse for that can you?

[Spud]

Nov 21, 2008 12:09:29 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

you ignored my K. Lumsey statement because you can't come up with an excuse for that can you?

No, he didn't ignore it. It's in there. In fact, it's one of his stronger points that DK is neither just stubborn or just stupid but both.

[Grandy02]

It begun at the end of page 2, now we are on page 12 in a thread with 169 postings. C'mon guys, if we try really hard, we can manage to extend it to 200!

[Hiker of Games]

If we combine it with the DK Jr. thread from Classic Nintendo, then we've totally kicked the ass of DK Debate.

Next Month's Theme: Metroid.

[Fryguy64]

Koopaul... you're doing it again! My opinion is not held in my previous post... it is held in all posts throughout this inane debate!

I didn't jump on the K. Lumsy thing because it was irrelevant! I have already said DK is stubborn, stupid and brutish but is also capable of being a heroic character. None of these things makes him a villain! So he can have friends, he can help people, he can enjoy bananas and just wants a nice, relaxing life!

But you only seem capable of hearing the things in my last post, and ignore everything that came before, imagining that for some reason I change my opinion with every post. You conveniently ignore things that are totally obvious, and you pull things out of thin air to fit your story.

And so I am not going to continue to engage you in debate any more. You are a waste of effort. I like that we covered a crapton of stuff, but it's now at the point where you're just bringing up irrelevant stuff and ignoring my previous posts. I can't make it any clearer. This is no better than arguing with a religious zealot about something written in the Bible that they choose "not to take literally".

[Erik Aston]

This thread is awesome in its stupidity.

For all this talk about DK's character, why don't you go back to the REAL source material. King Kong. Remember that King Kong was not a monster flick where King Kong was the bad guy; it was a tragic story about King Kong. He never stopped being King Kong: Rare made him king of the jungle on a tropical island where he fought against giant lizards, afterall. When you put that in a serial, you lose the tragic element, and you get DK, I guess. Big, stupid and brutish, but lovable, and sometimes misguided; and now with no story arch!

It just occured to me rereading that DKL story (and STFU, Fryguy, DKL was quality), that Cranky Kong could be Miyamoto in DKL. I'm not sure when Shigsy openly criticized DKC for being all about the graphics, but I wonder if it was before DKL came out, and they were sort of ribbing him. Of course, there was talk like that from a lot of folks, but not from the guy who created the character Cranky was supposed to represent...

I haven't really played the recent DK games, but I wonder if the humor is one of the things missing. DKC was purposefully absurd, often bordering on intentional self-parody. The island is shaped like DK's head. DK rescues Diddy in the first 30 seconds, only for the rest of the game to be about two monkeys saving bananas. The DKL story Fry just posted. The ridiculously overplayed Pirate motif in DKC2. The Blast-O-Matic and the final boss fight in DK64. King K. Rool wearing new disguises every game. In fact, the overall enemy design of the Kremlings and K. Rool in DKC1 and 2. None of these things suggest a series which took itself seriously.

The stories being posted for the recent games are silly, but don't seem to have quite the same tone.

I don't think all the Rare games held to this style either, though (DKC3). But then we get back to Rare fans circumventing logic to canonize everything Rare did and reject everything else... If you recall, people didn't take kindly to DKC3 feeling so "different" when it first came out...

[Wildcat]

Nov 22, 2008 16:47:02 GMT -5 Erik Aston said:

This thread is awesome in its stupidity.

Nov 22, 2008 16:47:02 GMT -5 Erik Aston said:

It just occured to me rereading that DKL story (and STFU, Fryguy, DKL was quality), that Cranky Kong could be Miyamoto in DKL.

Why are you being such an ass? I don't understand the "I'm mightier than thou" attitude you've brought into this thread, but it's not appreciated. It discredits the rest of your argument, and attacking the admin of the board in such a way is, as you put it, awesomely stupid. If he thinks DKL is balls, as he put it, and you don't, that's great, but you don't need to be a dick about it and tell him to shut the fuck up. It's rude, it's uncalled for, and it makes you look like a 13 year old troll.

[kirbychu]

I'm pretty sure he was joking about DKL. But I honestly can't bring myself to believe anybody thought DKL was good.

And he's right, this thread is brimming with stupidity.

[Manspeed]

The one thing I did like about DKL was the four new worlds and new level archtypes. It would've been a genius move to update those levels and include them in the GBA release of DKC.

[kirbychu]

Y'know what else would've been awesome? A game that was visible. Pre-rendered sprites on a GB Classic screen = severe eyestrain. What were you thinking, Rare!?

[TV Eye]

Nov 22, 2008 17:55:47 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

And he's right, this thread is brimming with stupidity.

Which is why I broke out pages ago.

[Wildcat]

Nov 22, 2008 17:55:47 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

And he's right, this thread is brimming with stupidity.

He may be (I've given up arguing in it, myself), but that still doesn't entitle him to act so high and mighty. Since he's only posted three times, I don't really know him as a poster yet, and to me, he's being an ass. *shrugs*

[Spud]

I'm with wildcat on this one. Thats one of the rules here that needs to be fallowed. Don't be a dick

[kirbychu]

I just didn't see the post as being particularly dicky, is all. Sarcastic, but not dicky.

Maybe he's just British.