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Post by kirbychu on Feb 12, 2009 15:30:18 GMT -5
You say that retrospectively but had she been announced for Brawl instead of Wolf you wouldn't be defending him right now. I would, actually. But that's neither here nor there. The thing is that Krystal has gained enough popularity to the point where it actually surprised ALOT of people that she was skipped for Wolf because she's more well-known. She isn't insignificant, not by a long-shot. Insignificant would be Andrew or Slippy. Not Krystal. Now, I'm not saying Wolf was a bad choice, but Wolf was certainly the less expected option. I'm not saying she's an insignificant StarFox character. I'm saying she's an insignificant video game character. Which I'll get to next... Eh, no she doesn't. Krystal is far more important and far better known than Jody Summer. Star Fox Adventure cleared that one up when the only characters on the planet were Fox and Krystal. StarFox Adventures? You mean that game that everybody hates?  Jody Summer may hog the spotlight less than Krystal does, but that's balanced out by the fact that the F-Zero series is more popular than the StarFox series, with seven games and an anime compared to StarFox's five games and... nothing else. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 12, 2009 16:52:08 GMT -5
Adventures was hated for the fact that it was a Star Fox title but not a Star Fox game. As a game, Adventures is good, but it shouldn't be McCloud behind that staff. And that's beside the point: She was a main character in a game, something Jody Summer has never come CLOSE to achieving. After Adventures, whether or not you like the game, it's canon now. Whether or not you like the game, it made Krystal a star.
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 12, 2009 17:36:38 GMT -5
She wasn't a main character in Adventures. You played as her briefly at the beginning, and she had three or four lines of dialogue. She was a quest object used as nothing more than an excuse to give Fox a staff.
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 12, 2009 18:10:39 GMT -5
You mean Peach in like almost every Mario game?
Also I didn't hate Star Fox Adventures either. Though it wasn't as good as Star Fox 64, and had flaws, I still deeply enjoyed it.
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Post by Manspeed on Feb 12, 2009 18:12:55 GMT -5
You mean Peach in like almost every Mario game? Which is why she was playable in SMB2 and many others, complete with her own unique abilites.  |
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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 12, 2009 18:34:04 GMT -5
When playing as Fox, Falco, and maybe Wolf outside their vehicles in Star Fox games (I don't play Star Fox games), did they have completely unique traits?
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 12, 2009 19:06:27 GMT -5
When playing as Fox, Falco, and maybe Wolf outside their vehicles in Star Fox games (I don't play Star Fox games), did they have completely unique traits? Actually, yes. And backstories to boot. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 12, 2009 19:06:33 GMT -5
@man-Frog: Remember, that was originally Doki Doki Panic. Peach is the most famous depth-less damsel anyone could ever know, and yet no one complained about her. Majority of the time Peach would be the "quest object" whereas Krystal played that bit once. In fact Krystal has been playable in some way for every Star Fox game since she first appeared. @arcadenkic: No not really. In Assault the characters could have slightly different stats, from each other, but that's about it. They actually played more uniquely in Command inside their vehicles. TV Eye: I don't recall Wolf's backstory... |
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 12, 2009 19:08:00 GMT -5
When playing as Fox, Falco, and maybe Wolf outside their vehicles in Star Fox games (I don't play Star Fox games), did they have completely unique traits? When Krystal oozes character depth like those three do, I'll gladly accept her as equal to them. The difference between Peach and Krystal is that Peach is the reason for most of the events of that series. Every major Mario game is focused on rescuing Peach. Krystal is just a tagalong outside of StarFox Adventures, where saving her is a secondary objective, since Fox was already working on saving the planet before she existed. Koopaul, stop comparing Krystal to Peach. If you seriously think they are on the same level in any way, then you are very deluded about the success of the StarFox franchise. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 12, 2009 19:13:04 GMT -5
Fine I'll compare her to Slippy then. Who you have no beef about. Wait when did Wolf ooze with character depth? He's Fox's rival, the anti-Fox.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 12, 2009 19:14:08 GMT -5
She wasn't a main character in Adventures. You played as her briefly at the beginning, and she had three or four lines of dialogue. She was a quest object used as nothing more than an excuse to give Fox a staff. Dude, sorry, she was. As a "quest object," she automatically becomes a major character. That's why Peach and Zelda are so important to THEIR series: A quest object is the inspiration for the game. At the very root of every game there are either two or three main characters. Removing all points except the kidnapping, if there was no Mario, there'd be no one to stop Bowser. If there was no Bowser, there'd be no one to stop. If there was no Peach, there'd be no motivation to stop Bowser. If there was no Samus, there'd be no one to stop Ridley. If there was no Ridley, there'd be no one to stop. And for that matter, there'd be no reason for Samus to become a bounty hunter. There has to be a quest object in order for the game to exist, just as much as there needs to be a hero and a villain. Krystal may be a quest object, but Krystal is still a character, Krystal is still capable of fighting, Krystal is still a major character, and Krystal is still a famous character. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 12, 2009 19:18:22 GMT -5
Well not really Shrikeswind. Fox could have saved the planet without Krystal. But then again Mario could have saved the day without Peach.
But this isn't about Peach, this is about the need for depth. Which I think is an utterly stupid reason to dislike a character.
Whether you like it or not, she does play importance to the series. She is Fox's love interest and that alone has great importance.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 12, 2009 19:36:31 GMT -5
Of course, I'll grant that. But remember that that was at the very core. There's no emotion in saving a planet, just "This is gonna be a BIG paycheck." And that makes the characters dull, unless their name is Wario, because Wario's got a personality to match his greed.
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 12, 2009 19:37:08 GMT -5
Well not really Shrikeswind. Fox could have saved the planet without Krystal. But then again Mario could have saved the day without Peach. Mario wouldn't have been fighting without Peach. Fox was already fighting before he knew Krystal existed. And there lies the difference. But this isn't about Peach, this is about the need for depth. Which I think is an utterly stupid reason to dislike a character. Then please, never write. People keep throwing around this notion that Mario and Peach don't have depth. Um, what? Yes they do. Depth isn't being moody and mysterious. Depth is being believable as a character. When Mario falls asleep and mumbles about pasta, he is showing depth. Krystal is not believable as a character, mostly because so far her personality has failed to remain consistent from game to game. Falco has, by far, the most depth of all the StarFox characters. Wolf showed far more than I expected in StarFox Assault (which, by the way, is my favourite game in the series), and Fox has tons in Adventures, but has generally lacked it elsewhere. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 12, 2009 19:47:59 GMT -5
This is VIDEO GAMES we're talking about here. Not a novel. What characters need to be a good characters are ROLES.
What role does this character play in the series? There lies the question to whether or not this character is important.
Who cares if the character lacks personality or depth? If they play an important role in the series then yes, they are important enough to Smash with the rest.
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