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Post by TV Eye on Apr 27, 2009 9:20:45 GMT -5
If you are talking about Goof Troop as in the SNES game, then I don't think there's much to say about it. They have dialogues and all, but for most of the time you play it as a game, not a storybook.  |
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 27, 2009 9:23:09 GMT -5
I guess I'll have to post an examle of what I'd like to see in a Mario story. I was thinking more on the lines like this:
One day the Mushroom Kingdom receives a series of disasters, spread across the land. An imp approaches Peach telling her that it was an evil wizard from his world that is doing this, and in order to defeat him he needs atleast 25 Stars.
So in comes Mario, he needs to collect 25 stars in the fashion he did in the other games by clearing objectives or disasters in this game. Once he does that, he gives them to the imp... but it was a trap! The imp reveals he was the wizard who caused all the disasters and tricked Mario into giving him the stars for power.
After a boss battle with him, the wizard loses all his stars except one. And runs away in retreat. Peach tells Mario to continue to get stars and solve the problems of the Mushroom Kingdom.
After getting ten more stars, it goes into a cutscene where the defeated wizard approaches Bowser for help. Bowser agrees and the wizard jumps into his body and gives him power. Bowser then kidnaps Peach with his new powers, and flies away with her.
After collecting 60 stars, Mario faces off with the super powered Bowser, he needs Peach's help in order to defeat him. After defeating Bowser, Mario and Peach head back for a picnic.
The End.
Now was that so bad? It doesn't break from the traditional Mario story, but it offered more than we're usually used to and Peach proves useful in the end.
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Post by flamedude on Apr 27, 2009 13:13:41 GMT -5
The only nintendo storylines even remotely interesting are the Zelda ones, but they never really change. Same shit, different day.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 27, 2009 18:30:11 GMT -5
I guess I'll have to post an examle of what I'd like to see in a Mario story. I was thinking more on the lines like this: One day the Mushroom Kingdom receives a series of disasters, spread across the land. An imp approaches Peach telling her that it was an evil wizard from his world that is doing this, and in order to defeat him he needs atleast 25 Stars. So in comes Mario, he needs to collect 25 stars in the fashion he did in the other games by clearing objectives or disasters in this game. Once he does that, he gives them to the imp... but it was a trap! The imp reveals he was the wizard who caused all the disasters and tricked Mario into giving him the stars for power. Isn't that essentially the plot to Wario Land 3?  And the rest of it sounded like the plot to Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, but with an imp in the place of Cackletta... So... you could argue... Nintendo is already complying with your need for story! |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 27, 2009 20:17:28 GMT -5
Seriously, they have enough story as it is Koopaul. Say Fry, I get what you said about other corporate mascots, but I can't help but feel that the way a character acts in their media determines their corporate mascot...um...."ness". I can tell this because Bugs's personality changed from one director to another even before he became WB's mascot, and the reason Mickey has his position as mascot is because he doesn't really....you know, do that much anymore. I also don't think that their pandering to the base resulted from giving them "more" personality nor do I think they had little personality to begin with. Compare Mickey's early black and white days to his current portrayal now and you'll find that he was brimming with character back then while now he's just a boring nice guy archetype. If anything, he's lost his personality. The other flaw I see is your comparison with Sonic's um... "evolution", as I'll call it. What they did to Sonic was make his games' plots more dramatic, rather than "deep". Basically they tried to pull a Square-Enix and failed miserably. It's not really the same deal as making Bugs or Mickey into role models in the 80s. |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Apr 27, 2009 20:23:21 GMT -5
At least Bugs isn't in The World Ends With You. As an emo high-tech samurai in search of his lost memories, no doubt. (Surprised you didn't say anything about Mickey's role in Kingdom Hearts, if that counts.) But yeah, imagine if TWEWY was nothing but the WB counterpart of KH. |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 27, 2009 21:06:31 GMT -5
Well.... Mickey is in Kingdom Hearts, but his portrayal there is basically what you'd expect from him these days, except now he has Yoda-level combat skills. ...and....I don't know where the hell you're coming from with TWEWY being the WB version of KH. |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Apr 27, 2009 21:50:54 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that TWEWY is at least commendable in that it isn't. Looking at this now, it's just that Sora and the original KH cast would have been better off in their own adventure instead of it being the Disney Smash Bros that it is now.
Anyway, hate to rekindle this, but I dont' think I've heard from you guys about it yet:
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Apr 27, 2009 22:41:16 GMT -5
No ones commenting on it because its retarded.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Apr 28, 2009 2:26:35 GMT -5
Beware. There are many, many KH fans out there.
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Post by TV Eye on Apr 28, 2009 6:49:30 GMT -5
Beware. There are many, many KH fans out there. Beware? I like Kingdom Hearts. I like it because it is a fun and enjoyable adventure/platformer/action/RPG. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Apr 28, 2009 7:50:55 GMT -5
I'm totally with you, Man-Frog. I was being brief, but it seems that the more mascotty something becomes... the more "role modelly" they become... then the more bland and vacuous they become.
Big Bird is a great example of a character who is bland and vacuous due to having to be the virtuous one. The irony is... no kid ever takes Big Bird as a role model. You either want to be Grover or the Cookie Monster (and some sickos want to be the Count). Grover is a gangly idiot and Cookie Monster is a gluttonous idiot.
For another example of a mascot who has managed to avoid turning crap, try Kermit (no idea why the Jim Henson thing today...) He is used as a logo (as is Mario) where he seems empty and emotionless, but when he's doing what he does best, he's just a stressed-out frog. Not a role model character, but a great one. And he hasn't had it sucked out of him yet (*awaits Miss Piggy related Todd*)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 9:07:41 GMT -5
Comparing Kingdom Hearts to TWEWY is like comparing apples to oranges; the only real similarity they have is Neku and Sora sharing a similar hairdo. While I love both games series and have played TWEWY and KH2 extensively, they're both very different in premise and style; KH2 is almost a sci-fantasy idea fit to be tied with a bunch of RPG cliches, TWEWY is more akin to Jet Set Radio in that it's very much a game about street culture (with a handful of anime cliches tied on). And this is excluding all of the Disney stuff from KH! But you know I was referring to Disney fairy tales like Aladdin or the Little Mermaid. Also I don't really want Mario to change. At all. He's fine where he is. Just the Story in the Mario games to be like those of Aladdin or Little Mermaid fashion. I dunno. I consider TLM and Aladdin to be movies of two different eras; TLM was the last great traditionally animated Disney flick (The Nightmare Before Christmas was fantastic, but I mean 'traditionally animated' as in hand-painted backgrounds and frame-by-frame hand-drawn animation cells), whereas Aladdin kick-started the commercial use of digital age for animating and brought along with it a lack of compassion for the quality of the resulting work and movies that are, ultimately, kid-friendly to the contemporary. Disney movies from TLM on back are incredibly, awesomely fucked up. Topless mermaids, Native American stereotypes, implied full-frontal nudity, kids drinking beer and smoking cigars only to turn into donkeys in the most nightmare-inducingly scary ways, protagonists throwing themselves into moving machinery to save the lives of the remaining cast...and that's just in four movies right there! So far as I'm concerned, personally, there has not been a single Disney movie that stacks up to the traditional stuff ever since The Rescuers Down Under (which was the first Disney movie to use the digital animation style - Aladdin just mainstream'd the concept). Pixar has done a pretty good job on occasion, but most of their stuff is hit-or-miss; I've got it down to a close pattern, where every other movie is freaking animated gold. |
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Post by Koopaul on Apr 28, 2009 9:11:38 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't say that. Kermit is a very moral conscious character if you've ever seen any Muppet movies... Which I have every one. I love family movies despite my age. I prefer them to most movies in fact. Some of my favorite movies are actually Disney animated ones. Pre-1999 ones obviously. In response to the post above, it wasn't about whether or not it was hand drawn or computer animated. Its what they did with it. Surely you don't think ill toward Beauty and the Beast! That used computer animation you know. What about The Lion King? As far as eras go I think you should read this article here.The Little Mermaid and Aladdin are very much the same in sense that they are artistic, musical, masterpieces. I feel a sort of power when viewing them, each scene is a work of beautiful art. The music is not only appropriate but memorable. I love the music! Their characters are lovable and well thought out. Disney is not like that anymore, no more singing or dancing, the atmosphere is average if not bland. The characters are just silly or cliche. Nope I started noticing the change when Mulan came into the picture. It didn't seem to have the same magic that the others had, the ending was pathetic instead of a heartwarming scene of two lovers or a magic event. They ended the freaking movie with a 98 Degrees song! Now what do they have? Hanna Montana and all that crap. Yep, its depressing for me especially because of how much I loved Disney movies. |
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Post by Manspeed on Apr 28, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
@ Fry: Personally, I fuckin' LOVED Oscar the Grouch when I was a kid. He was my hero.  @ Tei: I get where you're coming from, but Aladdin is my personal favorite animate movie of all time, and I have a lot of other favorites.  |
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