The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

[Arcadenik]

Well, we got that sword fairy girl in this game. Maybe Zelda 2010 will be somehow different since Link doesn't appear to be holding a sword so maybe Link could somehow magically use the sword fairy girl as a sword in battle. Hmm, maybe the battle gameplay will be the same, it would only look different.

[Dances in Undergarments]

I've got a real sinking feeling that Zelda Wii (I refuse to call it Zelda 2010 as we wont see it in 2010, you know it, I know it, and Nintendo knows it) will be entirely built on the concept of 'gameplay will be the same, it will only look different'. I really hope it doesn't, but I really think it will all play out much like all the OoT and after games.

TEi: Yeah, but is this really an issue now? There's a crapload of strong female leads in gaming, does keeping some really old, established damsels-in-distress as just that really make a huge difference? I'm not against changing it, though - a different story should be part of changing the whole Zelda experience up, but I fear that people (and unfortunately that could extend to people at Nintendo) think that making some tweaks to the story is enough to make Zelda seem fresh. Which it won't be.

And finally, Teev, I try to stop, but unlike Boo Destroyer's mum, its not easy. OH!

[Arcadenik]

I would like to see Zelda meets Mario Galaxy. Yeah, that's right. Link solving 3D puzzles inside 3D dungeons that look like they are from M.C. Escher's Relativity.

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Jan 7, 2010 17:58:10 GMT -5 Dances in Undergarments said:

I've got a real sinking feeling that Zelda Wii (I refuse to call it Zelda 2010 as we wont see it in 2010, you know it, I know it, and Nintendo knows it) will be entirely built on the concept of 'gameplay will be the same, it will only look different'. I really hope it doesn't, but I really think it will all play out much like all the OoT and after games.

TEi: Yeah, but is this really an issue now? There's a crapload of strong female leads in gaming, does keeping some really old, established damsels-in-distress as just that really make a huge difference? I'm not against changing it, though - a different story should be part of changing the whole Zelda experience up, but I fear that people (and unfortunately that could extend to people at Nintendo) think that making some tweaks to the story is enough to make Zelda seem fresh. Which it won't be.

Is it an issue that most people care about? Not really, but I'm a feminist and I feel like one of the most lauded game franchises in the history of gaming ought to be able to do better than resort to archaic gender stereotypes. And really, character development in a Zelda game would be fantastic - certainly more engaging. I'm not asking for a crazy-deep storyline, but it'd be nice to see Link and Zelda and Ganondorf evolve. Wind Waker came the closest to all of these (WW Ganondorf is my favorite incarnation of the character because he was very introspective and had a reason for wanting to take over and destroy Hyrule, whereas all other Ganondorfs are just, you know, evil >_>) and it's a shame that it's been followed up by rubbish. Alas.

Also, I refuse to call it 'Zelda 2010' as well, but only because it makes me think of a Zelda game set in a cyberpunk setting, which is hilariously impossible. I'd love to play it, even if cyberpunk doesn't do much for me, but it'd never happen ever so long as Shigeru Miyamoto, Eiji Aonuma (I know I'm spelling that one wrong) and Satoru Iwata walk the earth.

EDiT: HAPPY 3000th POST! I now join the elite in the ranks of Sexy Tingle. ;D

[Shrikeswind]

Jan 7, 2010 17:46:32 GMT -5 Arcadenik said:

Well, we got that sword fairy girl in this game. Maybe Zelda 2010 will be somehow different since Link doesn't appear to be holding a sword so maybe Link could somehow magically use the sword fairy girl as a sword in battle. Hmm, maybe the battle gameplay will be the same, it would only look different.

Money says it's just the Great Fairy who, for whatever reason, has a more prominant role in the game. Possibly a playable character, possibly Dominion Rod-esque in nature, I don't know. But I seriously doubt she's a sword, no less the Master Sword like everyone seems to insist.

And even if she is, it's not really like it'll change how Link fights. It's like "Hey, fairy sword bitch, get in my hand." And she's like "Gotcha fairy elf bitch." And you fight. Not much different.

My opinion? Fairy sword bitch is the Great Fairy with a serious part in the game. Link is the hero. And my hopes? Zelda does something other than be the result of an insidious plot made by Nintendo which admonishes feminism. Midna comes back for some Twilight Realm problem. The Oocca return and we have to transform them into their true form, as we learn that their chicken-people-bastard form was the result of a twisted evil god's curse. Tingle comes back, and he's as Tingly as ever, but without the rob-you-for-every-coin-you-have part. Tingle explains "Kooloo Limpah." The Skull Kid wears a mask again. Ganondorf returns, now from the Dark World, thereby seperating the Twilight Realm and the Dark World. Boats. A musical instrument, preferably with three more notes. A Communist plot to take over Hyrule courtesy a band of yetis, though Yeto and Yeta are still your friends. Fishing. An archery minigame. And finally, after such a ridiculous line of hopes, multi-player which actually has several characters instead of just "Green Link, Red Link, Blue Link, Purple Link." Possibly with Internet connectivity. With a color system, of course.

[Manspeed]

Jan 7, 2010 19:17:02 GMT -5 @sgtmajorkururu said:

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To be fair TEi, it's kinda hard to develop a character when there's actually like ten of them running around in different time periods.

In Ganondorf's case, they were able to pull that off in WW because there's only one of him. Too bad TP went and undid that. )X

[Johans Nidorino]

Regarding immediate sequels, it wouldn't be incredible for the game to be finished this year, but it's hard to believe it be released so soon since they've not shown footage yet. There was footage of Majora's Mask one year earlier, and of Galaxy 2 in 2009 for example.

Would this Zelda feature an implementation of a "Super Guide"?

[Boo Destroyer]

Yo, somebody page me?

Ganondorf in Wind Waker, I like how they made him into this sort of "tragic character". Reminds me of a post on some other forum about it:

His character wasn't like that of your everyday villian. He had feeling and remorse of his kingdom in Gerudo Valley. The speech he gives when you meet him says it all. He hates the Great Sea. He hates what the Gods did to Hyrule by burying it in a empty, fishless ocean that none can swim across, surrounded by mystery. He wanted to bring back Hyrule and make it better for his kingdom. Granted, there was no way he could do it, with the Gerudo race being dead and all, but it shows that this Ganondorf was more than a villian. This Ganon had heart. He wanted his home back.

To support this even more, look at Ocarina. It mentions that Hyrule had its fair share or skeletons(literally)hidden away with the Shadow Temple. Maybe some of those skeletons were Gerudos. Not to mention that the desert was unbearable to live in day or night, he wanted more for his kingdom and knew that it wouldn't be easy to accomplish.

Ganondorf wanted to take over Hyrule so that he could make it a better place for his people. Of course with this came power-hungry extremism. He destroyed Hyrule's Castle Town and killed all of its inhabitants. Those who survived moved to Kakariko. Where the Hyrule Castle once stood was now replaced with Ganondorf's tower. The Triforce of Power corrupted him. What was once a quest for good became an epidemic for the entire land. It took the descendants of Link and Tetra to stop it. With this also came a good long time for Ganondorf to think out his plans for Wind Waker. He was a foolish child(in a sense)in Ocarina and with the events leading up to Wind Waker, he aged. With this aging, came wisdom. He now had a more relaxed nature and it showed when he attacked Link and only attacked him(not killing). He has no grudge against the descendants. Only for their ancestors. They were merely pawns in his new plans to control Hyrule. Link didn't even grasp what Ganon was talking about in his speech, so of cousre it was no use to take it out on him fully. ONLY when he lost his chance to reclaim Hyrule via Daphnes wishing on the completed Triforce did he take out his anger on Link and Tetra, because he had lost it all. There was nothing to lose, so he went for blood... and lost again(Seemingly for good this time).

Kinda long, but this is how I see it. A immature ruler of a desert kingdom wanting more for it turned into a aged old man with hopes of still conquering the kingdom he yearned for as a youth. It gives you that feeling that maybe if all went as planned, Ganondorf would've not helped only his kingdom, but the people who live in those small, scattered islands. MAYBE now that his people are no more, he wanted to help those who were alive in the present, by showing what a lush, prosperous land Hyrule was before it was flooded.

Jan 7, 2010 22:25:52 GMT -5 Johans Nidorino said:

Would this Zelda feature an implementation of a "Super Guide"?

Provided it can bring on some challenge like New SMB Wii did, I'm sure it would. But how to implement it, hm?

[Arcadenik]

Jan 7, 2010 21:28:38 GMT -5 Manspeed said:

Jan 7, 2010 19:17:02 GMT -5 @sgtmajorkururu said:

stuff

To be fair TEi, it's kinda hard to develop a character when there's actually like ten of them running around in different time periods.

In Ganondorf's case, they were able to pull that off in WW because there's only one of him. Too bad TP went and undid that. )X

Eh... technically, there are two Ganondorfs now. The TWW Ganondorf is from adult Link's timeline and the TP Ganondorf is from young Link's timeline. TWW Ganondorf was imprisoned in the Sacred Realm after he lost the whole Triforce. TP Ganondorf was simply arrested and was banished to the Twilight Realm. Maybe both Ganondorfs went through different experiences in these two realms so TWW Ganondorf came out looking all developed while TP Ganondorf is basically the same for some reason. Too bad TWW Ganondorf is apparently dead, what with being stabbed in the face and turned into stone and left behind on the bottom of the ocean and we already had two sequels after TWW. We still don't know what happened after TP since we haven't had a sequel to TP. Maybe Zelda Wii will answer that.

[Fryguy64]

Was he banished to the Twilight Realm? I was under the impression he basically sacrificed himself and used the Triforce of Power to continue existing as a spiritual, almost-god-like being, where he used the power struggle in the Twilight Realm in order to take power and infiltrate Hyrule as well.

That was how I read into it anyway.

[Savage Adam]

Well, if you have 5 bucks to waste, as of today, you can pre-order Zelda Wii from Gamestop.

Granted, at this point, you may be smarter to put 5 bucks towards Duke Nukem Forever, but still.

[Koopaul]

Jan 8, 2010 4:55:53 GMT -5 Arcadenik said:

Eh... technically, there are two Ganondorfs now. The TWW Ganondorf is from adult Link's timeline and the TP Ganondorf is from young Link's timeline. TWW Ganondorf was imprisoned in the Sacred Realm after he lost the whole Triforce. TP Ganondorf was simply arrested and was banished to the Twilight Realm. Maybe both Ganondorfs went through different experiences in these two realms so TWW Ganondorf came out looking all developed while TP Ganondorf is basically the same for some reason. Too bad TWW Ganondorf is apparently dead, what with being stabbed in the face and turned into stone and left behind on the bottom of the ocean and we already had two sequels after TWW. We still don't know what happened after TP since we haven't had a sequel to TP. Maybe Zelda Wii will answer that.

Well I think Ganondorf's time in the Sacred Realm may have made him a wiser person. While in Twilight... Hm I'm unsure what had exactly happened. He stole the Triforce of Power in one timeline but he acquired it somehow in some unknown way in the other timeline. Maybe because he never had to battle Link he remained the same.

Also I believe WW Ganondorf could come back to life if they pull out the sword.

[Fryguy64]

But to what kind of life would he awaken? His brain has been sliced down the center by a sword. He'd be, at best, severely mentally handicapped. At worst, totally brain dead.

Although that would certainly make for an amusing (and incredibly insensitive) entry in the Zelda series.

[Boo Destroyer]

The Legend of Zelda: Retard Rampage?

[Wildcat]

LOL

God, that was a good laugh, Fry. It would be one of the more, "unique", entries, that's for sure.

I mean, for once, Zelda couldn't be kidnapped by a braindead Ganondorf. She'd have to go to the Hyrule hospital and sit in his room. After a time, Link bursts in, after all the trouble he'd gone through, to see Zelda just sitting there, and Ganondorf barely able to do much of anything. Anticlimatic, yes, but Zelda would get a lot of reading done.