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Post by Shadrio on Mar 3, 2010 21:38:25 GMT -5
BBrawl to me, isn't something to get all worked up about. I love playing BBrawl for the unhindered pure skill-based competition with no random events that alter the match. Anything unexpected in BBrawl is a mindgame from your opponent, and anything unfair is just skill based. There's no coin tosses, no rolls of the dice. However, it's not like people who play BBrawl are instantly hardcore pros who despise all other types of gamers. I prefer competitive play, but I'm not about to throw a fit about casual gamers. Likewise those people who don't enjoy BBrawl as much as I do should just continue playing the way they like without crying about it. Thank you for posting something I just felt like blurting, but didn't because I knew I was going to mess up somewhere. I love to BBrawl when playing against my competitive friends and I play basic Brawl (I refuse to call it "Vanilla Brawl", as other people do) when we feel like chillin out, maxin', relaxing all cool and just shootin' some Gernades outside of the screen (Snake's Final Smash). Anyway, things are regulated in competitve Brawling. If there'd be items in Tournament Brawls, it would be like to have Garchomp in a OU team in Pokémon competitve battling. Same thing is if you are playing Brawl for the heck of it, not putting items like the Smart Bomb or the Franklin Badge, and you've got a DULL battle instead of a fun one. So, as JN taught me... Competitive Brawl =! Casual Brawl |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2010 0:24:23 GMT -5
Kaji, I think you're the one not understanding me. Let me explain.
If you ban a character, something I'm against, you're banning an entire fighting style that doesn't necessarily revolve around the strategy intended to be blocked. If you ban stages, which I am sometimes for if the stage is particularly hazardous, such as Norfair, you're saying that you are unable to fight in abnormal circumstances, and in one case I will fight to the death over (Jungle Japes,) even in certain normal situations (falling in the river isn't necessarily instant death. I've gotten out as Ganondorf before.) Banning items, which is something I have mixed feelings over, depending on the item, forces tiers to determine otherwise perfectly even matches. Tweaking gameplay can be used for good, sure, but it can be used for evil. Banning cheap strategies removes the strategy without the likelihood of it being made in somebody's advantage, and all you need is one new person.
I'll keep fighting this. I've lost a friend to competitive Brawl. After a month of Brawling he suddenly got condescending to a guy who's been with the series for all 11 years. I've logged the required 10,000 hours to be a Smash expert and then 3 years on top, I refuse to be told I'm doing it wrong because I don't play competitively. Especially not by someone who could only have logged a maximum of 672 hours if he used a piss-bucket, and I've seen him play, hell, I've gone toe-to-toe with him, he plays like a level 5 computer.
BTW, Kaji, if you have a response, could I ask we take it to PM? I worry the dualistic nature of our conversation may get in the way of discussion.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Mar 4, 2010 1:01:22 GMT -5
Anyway, things are regulated in competitve Brawling. If there'd be items in Tournament Brawls, it would be like to have Garchomp in a OU team in Pokémon competitve battling. Same thing is if you are playing Brawl for the heck of it, not putting items like the Smart Bomb or the Franklin Badge, and you've got a DULL battle instead of a fun one. So, as JN taught me... Competitive Brawl =! Casual Brawl You mean "all or nothing"? Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it. If I had many neighbors I played Brawl with frequently, I'd probably try this Balanced Brawl thing, but it's not the case. Now a technical question: this hack gets ignored in Wi-Fi matches, right? |
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Post by Tina on Mar 4, 2010 1:46:54 GMT -5
Kaji, I think you're the one not understanding me. Let me explain. If you ban a character, something I'm against, you're banning an entire fighting style that doesn't necessarily revolve around the strategy intended to be blocked. If you ban stages, which I am sometimes for if the stage is particularly hazardous, such as Norfair, you're saying that you are unable to fight in abnormal circumstances, and in one case I will fight to the death over (Jungle Japes,) even in certain normal situations (falling in the river isn't necessarily instant death. I've gotten out as Ganondorf before.) Banning items, which is something I have mixed feelings over, depending on the item, forces tiers to determine otherwise perfectly even matches. Tweaking gameplay can be used for good, sure, but it can be used for evil. Banning cheap strategies removes the strategy without the likelihood of it being made in somebody's advantage, and all you need is one new person. I'll keep fighting this. I've lost a friend to competitive Brawl. After a month of Brawling he suddenly got condescending to a guy who's been with the series for all 11 years. I've logged the required 10,000 hours to be a Smash expert and then 3 years on top, I refuse to be told I'm doing it wrong because I don't play competitively. Especially not by someone who could only have logged a maximum of 672 hours if he used a piss-bucket, and I've seen him play, hell, I've gone toe-to-toe with him, he plays like a level 5 computer. BTW, Kaji, if you have a response, could I ask we take it to PM? I worry the dualistic nature of our conversation may get in the way of discussion. Not to lengthen an already tired debate, but by the way you word this it would seem like you are against banning characters, just like Kaji. It may just be me, but I feel that Kaji will use BBrawl as he chooses, you'll choose not to, and everyone will live their lives peacefully instead of a PM flame war over a matter of gaming preference. As for your friend, he can suck it. Because being a competitive player doesn't improve your skill, but sometimes gives you a rather nerdy superior tone.  |
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Post by KajiFox on Mar 4, 2010 1:56:21 GMT -5
No PM's, I don't feel the need to break into emotional boundaries (It's not my thing,) nor am I going to try to sway your opinion. All I'll say in this short response Shrikes, is that the condescending guy you speak of, sounds like a real dick. Anyway, things are regulated in competitve Brawling. If there'd be items in Tournament Brawls, it would be like to have Garchomp in a OU team in Pokémon competitve battling. Same thing is if you are playing Brawl for the heck of it, not putting items like the Smart Bomb or the Franklin Badge, and you've got a DULL battle instead of a fun one. So, as JN taught me... Competitive Brawl =! Casual Brawl You mean "all or nothing"? Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it. If I had many neighbors I played Brawl with frequently, I'd probably try this Balanced Brawl thing, but it's not the case. Now a technical question: this hack gets ignored in Wi-Fi matches, right? I'm not entirely sure myself about this, but I think if two people have the BBrawl code operating, it will work over Wi-Fi. However, I don't think it will work one way across Wi-Fi. Again, I'm not absolutely sure. lol |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Mar 4, 2010 6:03:40 GMT -5
You know, this conversation is getting a little heated. I just want to drop in a few words:
Shrikeswind! Calm the hell down!
You're using an antagonistic tone against people who don't deserve it. I'm not actually sure who it is you're arguing against - the competitive players who have joined the conversation seem to be willing to discuss your views reasonably, and don't even seem to be arguing against you. You're lashing out at everyone just because you don't agree with the way they play the game, even though it doesn't affect you.
So chill the hell out, man! You enjoy basic Brawl, and let them enjoy Competitive Brawl. Nobody's treading on anyone's toes by doing that.
I do disagree with one comment though...
I wouldn't say the majority of Brawl players are competitive players. I would say the majority of people currently playing Brawl will be competitive players because everyone else has moved on to other games! That might be true already, or it might be true in a couple more years... but competitives are still a minority of the people who bought the game.
BBrawl is simply the competitive players' way of keeping the community interested. They're the ones who will keep playing until (or if) the next one comes out!
That is all.
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2010 10:59:38 GMT -5
Competitive players are douchebags anyways. I had the misfortune to play against one recently and it was the worst match ever. No items, only "A" attacks.
Boring as shit. He wouldn't even let me get a Falcon Punch in edgewise.
Though I should probably state that, yes, he was a stereotypical nerd, and nerds tend to be condescending assholes.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2010 14:06:46 GMT -5
Shrikeswind! Calm the hell down! I AM CALM! ALL OF YOU AREN'T CALM! THIS WHOLE WORLD ISN'T CALM! Seriously though, if my tone is mistaken I blame me. I was actually in a pretty calm mindset when I wrote that, so I must have done something wrong to make it look like I was getting pissy. Likewise, I may be mistaken in believing that everyone's trying to pull a counterpoint even if they aren't. So I apologize on those accounts. But not on not being calm, since, as I said, I am calm.
So, I've thought of a way to balance out the game in such a way that will make the game more enjoyable in all levels of the game without hacking it. Anyone care to hear it? |
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Post by KajiFox on Mar 4, 2010 18:17:32 GMT -5
@fryguy: People fade in an out of Video Games. It's my fault for not clarifying that. The number of people who bought Brawl outnumber Competitive by FAR. lol
@ T.V. Eye: LOL! Just A moves? That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. You are correct however, the majority of them are real jerkwads. *Cough*It'sjustagame*Cough*
Also, I believe Shadrio knows a little bit more than I do about BBrawl. So my question to you Shadrio(Or anyone who knows...) is: Can BBrawl be played over the internet? And under what circumstances? Because if it was one-sided (Though that seems like it would seriously mess up the game...) that would be absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Shadrio on Mar 4, 2010 18:58:59 GMT -5
Well, Agent Double F, I'm not sure if codes in general work online, but I think I've heard that as long as both sides has the same exact codes (as we do, since I gave to the .gct file directly from my SD card), then they should work. We should test if BBrawl works. I'm pretty sure other codes like the Swaps Code (Songs and Textures) can be used online, but I will only see/hear my swaps... so, for example, I'm using Green Lantern Capt. Falcon (on my Green Costume), but the guy doesn't have his Green Texture Capt. Falcon swapped for anything, then when we battle, he should just see the Green Texture Capt. Falcon while I see my Green Lantern Capt. Falcon. But as I said... I'm not completely sure. Competitive players are douchebags anyways. I had the misfortune to play against one recently and it was the worst match ever. No items, only "A" attacks. Boring as shit. He wouldn't even let me get a Falcon Punch in edgewise. Holy eff, That's horrible. Only A attacks? I play competitvely, and I'm sure as Ike's Side Smash KOing that B attacks are not "casual". Seriously, when I use Capt. Falcon in competitve battles, I mind-game my foe into a Falcon Punch... And did he battle you that way only (no B or Shield or Z or Items), or did he play some item matches? And did he Enjoy said Item Matches, if done? Item Matches are a great way of cooling down after some intense Skill based battles against a rival. I mean... THE SMART BOMB IS SO FREAKIN' SMEXY! MWAHAHAHHAHA!!!!... *cough* Erh-hem >_>' |
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Post by KajiFox on Mar 4, 2010 20:13:33 GMT -5
Okay so Shadrio and I have tested BBrawl on Wi-Fi.
The results:
BBrawl does infact work over Wi-Fi. However, if one person doesn't have the BBrawl code activated, then the game results in a desync. Meaning, I saw Shadrio kill himself three times, whereas on his side he was still on his first life and hadn't died.
As for textures and BGM's? We found that only the player who is using the texture hacks can see them. Meaning I couldn't see that Shadrio's Sonic was textured as Shadow, but instead he showed up as the Black colored Sonic. Same goes for the music, his music was different from mine.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2010 21:18:46 GMT -5
What about if you both have a Dark Sonic hack, even if they aren't the same, i.e., you have Metal and he has Shadow or something?
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Post by Tina on Mar 4, 2010 21:56:28 GMT -5
this conversation is getting a little heated.  Yeah playing without B moves is just like playing a free browser-based fighting game. O.O yuck. |
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Post by Shadrio on Mar 4, 2010 21:59:46 GMT -5
It's a texture, and it is completely personal since it is on one's SD card.
Plus we did that already, where he used Red Sonic and I used Black Sonic, and on our respective SD cards, those colors where Shadow. When we battled, he saw me as whatever he saw Black Sonic and himself as Shadow, and I saw myself as Shadow and him as Red Sonic.
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2010 22:09:49 GMT -5
So, if I hacked a Knuckles for Red Sonic, he'd see Shadow?
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