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Post by Johans Nidorino on Sept 21, 2009 15:13:24 GMT -5
The Fox and the Hound 1 didn't end so happily to me  |
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Post by Leon on Sept 21, 2009 15:46:37 GMT -5
Just to say, I fear that this game may end like a Disney movie: Happy happy joy joy. I can't remember the last Disney movie to end on a down note. In fact, I don't think there even are any. This game can be as dark as it wants, but if it ends relatively happy, I'll be annoyed. That's my only beef with Disney animated movies. Disney's tooners are generally good. Well, that and the whole "Edit the plot to be more kid-friendly" thing. My favorite example is Cinderella. Cinderella's step-family were pecked to death by birds and her step-sisters mutilated their feet to fit in the slipper. Pretty much EVERY version says so. The step sisters were only pecked to blindness in the Grimm version of Cinderella. The earlier Perrault version made in 17th century France had the sisters get married to other nobles in Cinderella's castle. Disney used the French version because he didn't want to lose the audience by using a German setting in a post WW2 world. I have to study this in university, so I know many versions of Cinderella. |
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Post by somemannerof on Sept 21, 2009 18:01:13 GMT -5
Just to say, I fear that this game may end like a Disney movie: Happy happy joy joy. I can't remember the last Disney movie to end on a down note. In fact, I don't think there even are any. This game can be as dark as it wants, but if it ends relatively happy, I'll be annoyed. That's my only beef with Disney animated movies. Disney's tooners are generally good. Well, Pocahontas had a bitterwseet ending. Are you just opposed to happy endings for the hell of it?  |
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Post by Manspeed on Sept 21, 2009 19:10:17 GMT -5
The Hunchback of Notre Dame probably has like the only example I've ever seen of the protagonist not getting with the girl he likes in any animated movie I've ever seen.  |
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Post by Koopaul on Sept 22, 2009 0:47:58 GMT -5
Why does everyone want Disney to be dark? Seriously that's not why I fell in love with Disney. It was the theatrics of it all. The song and dance, moving and magical. How many of you watch old musicals? Singing in the Rain? Music Man? Hell even Wizard of Oz counts. Disney was fanciful, fun, and artistic. If your in it for the brief dark content of a plot, then your missing the point. Or maybe you all think True Art is Angsty? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 12:00:17 GMT -5
Why does everyone want Disney to be dark? Seriously that's not why I fell in love with Disney. It was the theatrics of it all. The song and dance, moving and magical. We're not saying it should be, like, grisly murders and rape and shit or whatever the hell you're thinking. The darker Disney movies had plenty of theatrics, song, dance, moving and magic - but that was the candy-coated shell to the rich chocolatey darkness lying beneath. This dichotomy lets the movies appeal to a variety of different tastes, but when you take away the chocolate, all you have is the candy shell, leaving it hollow. Also, there's a very, very crucial difference between dark and angst. Was Pinocchio angsty when watching that kid turn into a donkey? Was Ursula angsty when she stole Ariel's voice and tried to steal Eric away from her? Was the Magnet in Ernie's Disposal angsty when it tried to kill the appliances and the Master? I should think not, good sir, because those moments were poignant and spoke volumes of the characters thrust into those situations without them beating themselves up or moping over it. |
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Post by Da Robot on Sept 25, 2009 18:29:32 GMT -5
Epic Mickey to be unveiled by Disney next month?  |
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Post by Koopaul on Sept 25, 2009 23:48:20 GMT -5
We're not saying it should be, like, grisly murders and rape and shit or whatever the hell you're thinking. The darker Disney movies had plenty of theatrics, song, dance, moving and magic - but that was the candy-coated shell to the rich chocolatey darkness lying beneath. This dichotomy lets the movies appeal to a variety of different tastes, but when you take away the chocolate, all you have is the candy shell, leaving it hollow. Yeah you're right about the dark and angst but I don't agree that the song and dance was the candy coating. They are the main fundamentals that makes a Disney movie a Disney movie. The things that REALLY make Disney special are the beautiful moments. When Bell and the Beast are dancing in the incredible ball room to that wonderful song. Disney touches my heart. You could tell me the dark original version of Beauty and the Beast and it could NEVER compare to what I feel when I watch that movie. Its not the story, it never was. Its the way its told, seen, and heard that made it a Disney classic. You could have the worst story ever and have it turned into something incredible. That's the difference between a movie and a regular story. A story tries to tell you something where a movie tries to move you. For example: the scene with Ursula and Ariel. They way the scene zoomed into Ursula's lips when she said "Your voice!" gave it more of a dramatic effect. When Ursula sang that song and said "but on a whole I've been a saint" the background changed to look more like a church stained glass. When the waves crashed against the rocks when Ariel said "Part of your world!" after rescuing Eric. Such beautiful direction. Makes it much more emotional than just sitting there on the rocks. I'm probably the only one who notices these details. The way the scenes are lined up, the colors, the angles. All brilliantly portrayed. This is the Disney art my friends. And its not involved with the story. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 0:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by Da Robot on Oct 5, 2009 14:17:28 GMT -5
Confirmed to be real and Wii exclusive!  A video interview is coming later in the day with more info. Source.
Game Informer page (includes larger magazine cover image). |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Oct 5, 2009 17:17:22 GMT -5
Are you just opposed to happy endings for the hell of it? With regards to Disney, I'm opposed to happy endings that seem fake or when they don't follow the original story. By the way, the French version is only one of many versions, and it's one of the few that don't end up with pain for the step-sisters. Cinderella is from all over the place. And on a tertiary note, Pocahontas was based on a true story (note that: Based on, i.e., no talking tree and raccoon and whatnot) and they actually did end Fox and the Hound on a happy note. I've been meaning to read the book, so I don't want any spoilers, but apparently there are some major deaths in it. And I mean MAJOR. By how major people have stressed this to me, I'm estimating Dumbledore-level. In the movie, I don't remember a single death (even Chief survived the train. I mean, talk about unbelievably happy, at least relative to what rightly should have been.)
Also, that is one hot picture. Like, if it were possible to get your eye involved in sex, the amount of awesome that exudes would equal what the eye-gasm would feel like. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 5, 2009 17:28:02 GMT -5
I would call it higher than Dumbledore-level major. But I won't spoil it for you. Read the book, it's great.
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 5, 2009 19:22:28 GMT -5
Dude....this game looks like it's going to EAT Kingdom Hearts ALIVE.  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Oct 5, 2009 20:01:21 GMT -5
Heh, easy. Nothing against Kingdom Hearts, but it seems so Square.
Yuk yuk yuk. Square-Enix is so square. Yuk yuk yuk.
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Post by Da Robot on Oct 6, 2009 14:19:18 GMT -5
Some more details. - Mickey's tools: paintbrushes, erasers, thinner, pencils and more - tools mapped to Wiimote movements - the game involves a world where forgotten Disney characters and rides disappear to - the characters cast off into this world become bitter and broken-down - Oswald the Rabbit runs this forgotten world (OtR was Disney's first creation) - Oswald is jealous of Mickey's popularity, and wants revenge - The Phantom Blot is unleashed, and it's goal is to wipe out Mickey and the cartoon world - The Phantom Blot starts to take over Mickey's world, and Mickey aims to stop him - puzzle elements involved in saving the cartoon universe - adventure and exploration - Mickey will be getting a makeover that is quite retro-styled "Mickey has to draw and scribble his way through levels, mending broken bridges by applying the right colour paint or peering through walls after applying thinner. He can even clear rubble from his path by erasing parts of the world.
Our source told us Epic Mickey is a game about thinking and artwork - laterally considering your environment in order to overcome puzzles.
On top of that is a healthy dose of exploration, plus Mickey will be getting "his first makeover in years". "That's why no one's seen his face yet," our source explained, "But he's far more retro than you've seen him for years."Source. |
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