NinDB's SSBD: Stages & Music Mega-Post

[Shrikeswind]

Nov 26, 2009 11:57:48 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

A boxing ring would be quite a dull stage. It would probably end up being a flat stage, but with stage hazards (other boxers, for example). It wouldn't be the most exciting of stages, but it's pretty much the only place it could go.

Remember, it has to represent the series, and not just the one character.

You know how, in wrestling (the REALLY fake stuff you see on Spike, I mean,) the guys sometimes start fighting outside the ring? Why not something like that? You know, you have the ring, and it takes the main portion at the center and all, but you also have a lower, base platform, the floor. You can also get into the seats if no one's sitting there (and people come and go.) You have to clear the ropes to jump from the floor to the ring (it's three ropes about a character high, so lower jumpers can still get in,) you have to climb the ropes, and when you're in the ring proper, you can only move, duck, shield, and use your A attacks (no grabbing, no specials, and no jumps, basically. You still get Dash, the Tilts, the Smashes, and your A-Combo, though.) It starts with the bell ringing, and every 25 seconds, it rings again. During the 25 seconds, if there's not alot of action, people start hurling their drinks at the stage and tend to leave, if there's alot of action, people will swarm in and you'll likely not be able to find a seat to stand on. The drinks hurt a little and are really an indicator of "GET FIGHTING ALREADY!" After the 25 seconds are up, the bell rings again and the referee (not Mario, but the generic from Punch-Out Wii) would enter the ring (not removing anyone from the ring, but more as an indicator,) at which point if you attack someone, a bouncer tackles you. The crowd will mill around aimlessly at this point, so you can usually find a seat. After 5 seconds, the bell rings again and it cycles. If you're thrown into the ropes by an attack (or from outside, actual throws,) you bounce off.

Hah?

[Fryguy64]

Boxing and wrestling have about as much to do with each other as golf and tennis. Sure, both involve hitting a ball, but that's about it. Boxing and wrestling both involve fighting, but... again... that's it. Bringing wrestling areas into a boxing game is being less faithful to the sport than Dragon Chan's flying kicks.

[Shrikeswind]

I don't think you understand what I meant. I used the wrestling thing to explain the set-up. Yeah, it's still boxing, hence you can only use A attacks in the ring (having mentioned no jumping, though, I've changed my mind, since you'd have no way to get out into the rest of the stadium.) It's just that it's more than just the ring. The only reason I mentioned wrestling at all was to help me explain that it's not JUST the ring. You also have the seats (when not occupied) and the floor around the ring. It's just a wrestling element brought to boxing. It's not Mike Tyson vs. Hulk Hogan or full-on wrestling.

Perhaps the best way to put it? A boxing match gone too far and the fans love it.

[Manspeed]

I think my Teleroboxer idea was better.

[Dances in Undergarments]

What if, instead of a boxing ring, it was, like, a training room, complete with not only a boxing ring with like, ropes you can throw people into and shit, but, like, a punching bag, and, like, some weights, and, i dunno, like, a treadmill and shit.

And then, like, what if the whole thing was, like built on the back of a giant beaver or something.

...I should design games.


(really, though, does it need to be specifically a Punch-Out stage? Couldn't it be some sort of generic 'traditional fighting venue' stage that uses Punch-Out music among others?)

[Shrikeswind]

Actually, that's a pretty solid concept, a training room. I can think of all sorts of ways your ideas could work, plus all sorts of new ideas, none of which I'll mention.

Punching bag: The heavy bag can take a beating, but if hit hard enough, it adds range to the attack, amplifying the power. The speed bag doesn't have the durability or range, but it's alot faster and will be able to amplify combos.
Treadmill: It's basically a conveyor belt, like you get in stage-builder. It's fairly long, and you can stand on the top, but it pushes you back.
Boxing ring: Like my idea, you can only use A attacks in here. The ropes are bouncy, so unlike walls, if you hit them, you get launched the other way.
Weights: Heavy objects you can throw. The smaller weights are basic items, while the larger ones are heavy, so they slow you down. They can't be taken off the rack, but will occassionally fall off. If left alone or removed from play, someone in the background will put it back.

[Johans Nidorino]

A ring is more stellar.

There should be a pit surrounding the ring, at least to the west and east sides of it. Doc Louis could make a cameo appearance just outside of the ring next to the south border. There isn't need for ropes over the west and east borders, but make them destroyable if you want them.

Rob's idea for battles that intersect each other is something not yet seen in stages which would be interesting. It could even work in stages with Pokémon battles.

If Punch-Out!! rivals are seen in the north area of the ring, it wouldn't make much sense that they attack you unless you pretend they're training or showcasing their skills. They could as well be seen training without attacking you, serving as plain cameos.

If no real hazards are in the stage, this could become a new, cool, actually game-themed Final Destination. Many of us would love it if it were the replacement of Final Destination in the versus mode, consequently forcing Super Smash Bros. tournaments to take place in a happier stage Nintendo-wise. Really... It's understandable if your rules require a tournament to be held in a flat stage because you think that's how you'll best measure your skills against others. But must it be a flat stage in a location that has nothing to do with retro game love?

[Manspeed]

(really, though, does it need to be specifically a Punch-Out stage? Couldn't it be some sort of generic 'traditional fighting venue' stage that uses Punch-Out music among others?)

I was under the assumption that Punch-Out!! music would be included in the Teleroboxer stage I came up with since they're both boxing games and in some circles are considered to be loosely connected.

[Shrikeswind]

(really, though, does it need to be specifically a Punch-Out stage? Couldn't it be some sort of generic 'traditional fighting venue' stage that uses Punch-Out music among others?)

Actually, that points out another possibility. Maybe we could have an Urban Champion/Punch-Out remix of some kind, so you get the best of both worlds (i.e., manholes and flowerpots, but also Doc Louis riding his bike.) You know, kinda like how the Summit has that damned dirty fish in the water? It wouldn't be too far off, if you think about it. It could be considered a sort of "If the camera were on the other side" thing. It could have both Punch-Out and Urban Champion music. And while we're at it, other games of that sort (cartoony design, realistic fighting sort of thing) could make cameos. Like how Ice Climber has adopted similarly-styled NES games like Balloon Fight and Clu Clu Land.

[Johans Nidorino]

Mixing worlds is a nice idea but even the first Ice Climber stage was a stage with no crossovers. With Punch-Out!!, a game series that is once again alive and would debut in this chapter, wouldn't you want the stage to be about Punch-Out!! alone?

Anyway, if you wanted ideas for crossovers, one could guess there are Arm Wrestling stages somewhere next to WVBA rings

Those games you guys have mentioned, like Urban Champion, Teleroboxer and even Pro Wrestling could be sources of music for the stage.

[parrothead]

I wonder if SSB4 would ever have convertable stages? They would mostly be about one game, but when you change the music to one from a different game, the stage would slightly change, allowing SSB4 to represent more franchises/games and save disc space. For an idea of a beach stage different from the Delfino Plaza, this other beach stage would mostly represent The Legendary Starfy series, but will sometimes represent the Wave Race series, and if Nintendo would allow video games not released in Japan, the StarTropics series.

For others, WarioWare would have Rhythm Heaven/Rhythm Paradise series, Star Fox would have X and Solar Striker, Famicom Wars would have Radar Mission, and so on and so on.

[Shrikeswind]

Five bucks says it happens, Mr. Extreme Attack.

If Punch-Out has to go solo, there's not alot of options. You're pretty much stuck with a ring, a training room, or the streets of Manhattan.

[Arcadenik]

For a Punch-Out stage, I would like the match to take place during a boxing match. Two random boxers (King Hippo, Super Macho Man, Mr. Sandman, etc.) fight each other and only they can hurt each other. That means you can't attack them but they can hurt you. They are like Assist Trophies in that respect, especially when you get collateral damage from the boxers fighting each other. That could make such a boring flat stage very hectic.

I definitely want the pink jogging suit for Little Mac's alternate costume just like Wario's overalls as his alternate costume in Brawl. That would be sweet!!!

[Manspeed]

I doubt they would go through the trouble of modeling his jogging suit for an outfit he doesn't actually FIGHT in.

[Arcadenik]

Bah. It doesn't matter. Smash is not canon anyway. I would totally main Little Mac in a jogging suit.

About the Punch-Out!! stage, I think there should be no pits to fall in so you can walk off the stage to get KO'd. About the background, I think it would seem a little dull if it was all black. I want to see screaming crowds (not sure if they should be regular people or Miis or even a bunch of unplayable Nintendo characters just like in the arcade games, maybe a mix of all three?). Oh, and I think it would look amazing if it was outdoors with the skyline of New York City right there in the background. I am also thinking that it could be like Smashville when it comes to changing times. Imagine seeing NYC in the morning and how different it looks at night.