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Post by Da Robot on Sept 9, 2010 0:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 14, 2010 16:23:49 GMT -5
Here's the Western conference roster.As for no online in the Wii version, I think it's been blown way out of proportion. Let's not forget that the original NBA Jam managed to be amazingly fun, and it wasn't online either. (Nor did it have the Remix Tour.) Those that say they'll boycott the game due to lack of online are really hurting no one but themselves. I, personally, have no intention of cheating myself out of NBA Jam by convincing myself that the game is worthless without online, because it isn't.[/rant]
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Sept 15, 2010 10:12:52 GMT -5
While I also don't see major issues with no online, using the defense of 'the last one was fun without online' is an incredibly stupid one - I mean, Pong was fun back in the day too, but if you tried to sell me a full price Pong clone today I'd probably feel I had a right to complain.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 15, 2010 12:31:35 GMT -5
While I also don't see major issues with no online, using the defense of 'the last one was fun without online' is an incredibly stupid one - I mean, Pong was fun back in the day too, but if you tried to sell me a full price Pong clone today I'd probably feel I had a right to complain. Are you saying that NBA Jam, with or without online, shouldn't be full-priced because it's not as fun now as it was then? Or are you saying that adding online to Pong would justify selling it as a full-priced retail product? EDIT: I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just honestly don't understand where you're coming from here. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Sept 16, 2010 4:57:00 GMT -5
If I'm reading your post correctly, you are suggesting its not worth complaining about NBA Jam not having online, because the original didn't have it and since the original was worth buying, surely this one is too.
But my argument is that just because something was okay back then, doesn't mean its okay now - hence my Pong comment, I would have paid full price for Pong on my Collecovision, I wouldn't pay full price for Pong on my 360. Now, considering we are in a generation where online is widespread, and, particularly for the HD twins, basically a 'given', then we should have every right to complain when a game comes out that doesn't have it, regardless of if we happily played an online-less version 10 years ago.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 16, 2010 13:38:27 GMT -5
OK, I see what you're saying. My point was that the people who are most excited about the new NBA Jam are excited about it because they were fans of the original game, and the original had nothing to do with online. In other words, online, or lack thereof, is not what made it fun. Therefore, those people ought to have the capacity to enjoy the game, regardless of whether it includes online. Thus, way too much emphasis is put on the inclusion of online. You're right that updating the game to conform to modern standards should be expected, but the Remix Tour is intended to be exactly that. It's been specifically stated that it's supposed to be what NBA Jam would be like if it were designed today. And online gaming is widespread, but not on the Wii. So for Wii owners, it's something to grumble over, but not a good reason to boycott. For me personally, if I had to choose between online and Remix Tour, I would pick Remix Tour because it's actual substance. I know I'm a black sheep for saying this, but "online" is sort of a buzzword at this point. Playing plain NBA Jam with other people who live 1,000 miles away is nothing more than that. But adding new game modes, boss fights, etc: that expands the game. Not that I would've complained if it had both.  |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Sept 17, 2010 4:59:28 GMT -5
I'm with you, actually - online doesn't really excite me, I play my multiplayer in person, not online against people that could effectively be computer controlled anyway (like, really, it makes no difference to me).
But I can certainly see why people were complaining. Wii might not be known for its online capabilities, but it certainly is possible to have online games, and maybe if EA had put more into trying than "two people" into working on it, we'd have the best of both worlds. But if we had that, then EA would lose out on people double dipping, Which is clearly not what they want.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 17, 2010 13:57:56 GMT -5
It does seem like EA is trying to get people to buy both NBA Jam on the Wii and NBA Elite on the PS360.
But again, I think people are being a little hard on the developers for having "only" two people working on getting it online. First of all, the NBA Jam team was not that big to begin with, and apparently one of the reasons the game got green-lit in the first place was because it started off as a relatively inexpensive project. (Don't forget that it was originally an entirely different game.) I think once they decided to acquire the NBA Jam license, the game ended up getting a lot more publicity than was initially anticipated.
Second, it's more difficult to add online to a game after the fact. Had they planned for online from the get-go, they might've had more success getting it to work well.
Of course, if they end up doing an "NBA Jam 2012" or whatever, then these issues can be addressed. And that makes it all the more important for people disappointed in the lack of online not to boycott this game.
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Post by Da Robot on Sept 17, 2010 17:26:21 GMT -5
Here's the Western conference roster.As for no online in the Wii version, I think it's been blown way out of proportion. Let's not forget that the original NBA Jam managed to be amazingly fun, and it wasn't online either. (Nor did it have the Remix Tour.) Those that say they'll boycott the game due to lack of online are really hurting no one but themselves. I, personally, have no intention of cheating myself out of NBA Jam by convincing myself that the game is worthless without online, because it isn't.[/rant] I know the game will still be fun and all but I just wanted to have online like the 360/PS3 version. I don't really have anyone else to play with, so online would have helped. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Sept 27, 2010 19:15:44 GMT -5
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Post by Nester the Lark on Sept 27, 2010 23:19:51 GMT -5
According to 1up, the PS3/360 standalone version is still a downloadable. It sounds like it's in response to a delay in the release of NBA Elite. It's unclear if the standalone version will also include the Remix Tour, or if it'll still be the "basic" version that was intended as a bonus. If they don't charge full price for it, then it better not be the full version. The only thing that bugs me about a previously exclusive Wii game going multi-console is that it has an air of "this game is too good for the Wii". It's as if they're saying, "We didn't realize how high-profile NBA Jam was going to be, but if we did, we wouldn't have bothered with the Wii in the first place." What's worse is that this perception is perpetuated by the gaming community.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Oct 2, 2010 19:23:46 GMT -5
Here is kind of a strange article from Owen Good at Kotaku on the multi-platform mess that NBA Jam is now in. In its damage control campaign, EA Sports may have also closed the door to the Wii ever being anything more than an adjunct to the sports gaming experience, despite what is often said about supporting the platform and its gamers. Wii owners who love the genre had NBA Jam as a trump card for all of five months. Now they have good reason to wonder why titles truly unique to their console, and valuable for that reason, are so rare. I don't think it's necessarily something to wonder about. There's little confidence in the Wii to begin with. But it does seem to be a self-damaging situation when a game is announced as a Wii exclusive and then gets ported to the other consoles before it even has the chance to be a Wii exclusive, because then it cuts into the Wii version's sales. And if the Wii version is expected to sell poorly enuff to warrant porting it to the other consoles, then what should be wondered about is why it was announced as a Wii exclusive in the first place.
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Post by Wildcat on Oct 3, 2010 14:15:05 GMT -5
360/PS3 versions will have Remix Mode = Nail in the coffin for the Wii version?This has turned from great news for Wii owners into as complete a disaster as one could not wish for. The online-disabled Wii original (with gesture controls, which apparently is the ONLY selling point EA had left to use) only has a few months of leeway before the "suddenly ideal" PS3/360 rev hits shelves, and EA isn't even lowering the price point for the Wii version. Atrocious. I guess Wii owners have the benefit of an impending bargain price in the very near future, since EA shot themselves in the bloody foot.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Oct 3, 2010 17:28:08 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I'll say it again - this whole venture has been an absolute clusterfuck.
I don't see why anybody would pick up Jam Wii at full price now. They can either skip the Wii version entirely and get the full experience on PS360, or wait until that version comes out and still go with the Wii version, which at this point will probably have its price slashed repeatedly. The only saving grace for the Wii version at full price is getting it early - but how early? Chances are EA will get the PS360 version out in time for Christmas, won't they? Which gives Wii a month or two at best.
This all being said, if the Wii version in AUS remains at $50, and the PS360 versions are planned for $100, then I will bite straight away. But thats the only reason.
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Post by Nester the Lark on Oct 3, 2010 17:33:25 GMT -5
Ouch. I still intend to purchase this for Wii since that's that's the console I own. But it brings up another issue: is it still a day-one purchase? I mean, if EA doesn't have confidence in the Wii version, then why should I? The Wii version's sales were never going to be spectacular, but now multi-console owners have a reason to skip over it, which will cut into its sales even further. Therefore, is it worth it for me to pay full price for a game that has a good chance of becoming a budget title before the end of the year? I do want to support third-parties on the Wii, but I'm in a position where I have to be careful about what I spend, and I'm more concerned with my own well-being than with EA's. I was looking forward to playing it this week, tho.  This all being said, if the Wii version in AUS remains at $50, and the PS360 versions are planned for $100, then I will bite straight away. But thats the only reason. I hate to post this again, but I guess you didn't see this. I suppose if the PS360 version comes with a PS360 price tag, then they'll at least be paying extra for their online. |
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