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Post by Johans Nidorino on Oct 12, 2010 20:42:00 GMT -5
I can assert there were trailers and even demos of Fossil Fighters on the Nintendo Channel. And I don't remember seeing it, but it seems there was also this TV spot. But I guess it's unfair to compare it to a nearly launch title such as the original Pikmin. |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 12, 2010 21:13:41 GMT -5
There was a TV spot? Hm well Fossil Fighters was treated better than I thought.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 13, 2010 3:24:15 GMT -5
The only time I've seen a new IP do really well is within the first 3 months of a system launch.
New IP is always a tough sell, so in a lot of cases it makes more sense from a sales perspective to plug in a well-known IP, such as Kirby, who you know will sell more copies. Because Nintendo is famously protective of its established IP, they will then also require the developer to tailor the game around that IP to some extent.
I'm sure they didn't just stick Kirby in their game. I'm sure it's undergone further refinements to make it look and feel more like a Kirby game.
After all, if Nintendo had announced "Woolly Fleece in Fabric Land" or whatever it was going to be called, people would have said "It looks good"... then nobody would have looked twice, played it or bought it. Then, a month or two down the line, somebody would say "Nintendo relied too much on their big franchises".
It's because hardly anybody buys the mountain of new IP they have been releasing!
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Post by Prince~Of~Light on Oct 13, 2010 6:49:00 GMT -5
Now that you said it... I'd better buy Flingsmash.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 13, 2010 8:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 13, 2010 9:45:26 GMT -5
The only time I've seen a new IP do really well is within the first 3 months of a system launch. I don't know, I think its all about if Nintendo is making a big deal about the game or not. With Nintendogs they made a HUGE deal out of it. Nintendo themselves treated it like it was very important. With Flingsmash... not so much. Sure they may advertise for it. But they aren't treating it like this game is top tier. Pikmin was hyped, it was Miyamoto's new invention and everyone was watching. I remember big articles on it in my Nintendo Power when first revealed. It was certainly treated special from the start. I guess I'm saying at E3, which games does Nintendo show in their presentations versus the ones that aren't shown but still announced at E3? It like their saying: We got Wii Party! We got Donkey Kong! ... Oh and we also have this Fling Smash thing... If Nintendo has the attitude that this new IP is a big deal, and we should be excited, you can tell. |
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 13, 2010 11:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 13, 2010 18:07:33 GMT -5
Fry, why do you think Nintendo is telling us that a new IP is coming if we have had tons of new franchises since Pikmin?  Pikmin and Animal Crossing were considered new IP's by Nintendo and treated as such big deals while Geist, Giftpia, Doshin the Giant, Eternal Darkness, Chibi-Robo and that weird Japanese war/pinball hybrid game are given a lukewarm treatment. Nintendogs were considered a new IP by Nintendo and treated as a big deal while Fossil Fighters, Electroplankton, Elite Beat Agents, Glory of Heracles, Rhythm Heaven and those text-adventures games with the detective and the amnesiac girl were given a modest treatment. Even Professor Layton is treated as a major franchise by Nintendo and it is not even a Nintendo IP! Wii Sports (and any games featuring the Miis) are considered a new IP and treated like they are freaking Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon games while Captain Rainbow, Endless Ocean and that Wii game about surviving disasters are barely mentioned by Nintendo. We will see if Nintendo makes a big deal about The Last Story and/or Xenoblade. I guess Nintendo doesn't really count those new games as new IP's. Why else would Nintendo be telling us that they are going to make a new IP when they already made those new games? No wonder Sakurai felt that there weren't any good character-driven franchises 6 years before and after Pikmin in that All-Star Mode update on the Smash Dojo. What? Sin & Punishment, The Legendary Starfy and Golden Sun don't count?  Its not only the new IP's that get little attention from Nintendo, though... some old IP's get more attention than other old IP's when they are revived. Sin & Punishment, Punch-Out!! and Kid Icarus seem to get more attention from Nintendo than ExciteTruck, ExciteBots, Excitebike: World Rally, and especially that new X game did. Even Metroid got plenty of attention from Nintendo when it was revived with Metroid Prime and Metroid Fusion. |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 13, 2010 18:46:20 GMT -5
That's why I said Nintendo has tiers. Just some get more respect than others.
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 13, 2010 21:02:06 GMT -5
Exactly, Koopaul. Even right now, it seems that Nintendo is giving extra attention to Pilotwings Resort when they didn't really make a big deal about the original Pilotwings and the 64 sequel. Why is Nintendo making a big deal about the 3DS sequel? I can think of a good reason and its name is Mii. If the general population associate the Miis with good Wii games (except Wii Music, of course), then why not associate the Miis with the Pilotwings franchise to make the 3DS game sell better? I mean, they already named the game after Wii Sports Resort and the game even takes place on the same island. I'm waiting for Wave Race Resort and 1080° Snowboarding Resort. |
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Post by The Qu on Oct 13, 2010 23:11:22 GMT -5
Why not combine the two? They seem like franchises linked in people's minds, in my experience. Even Nintendo seems to acknowledge this, with Blue Storm and Avalanche's beta name, White Storm.
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 13, 2010 23:48:08 GMT -5
So what would you call it? 1080 Snowwaveboardrace? |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 14, 2010 5:03:27 GMT -5
Um, guys? I'm pretty sure it was Miyamoto saying he was going to make a new IP. Miyamoto hasn't come up with a new IP in quite some time. However, Miyamoto and Nintendo are not the same thing.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 14, 2010 5:14:03 GMT -5
To be fair, the majority of the IP I listed were co-developed with external companies, while Pikmin and Animal Crossing were both new IP handled internally. Same goes for Brain Age and Nintendogs. But then Rhythm Heaven and Big Brain Academy were also internally developed, and while both have been successes in their own right, they're still on the sidelines compared to the above. And then you have Kirby and Pokemon which were developed "externally", but grouped among Nintendo's "Big IP"... so there's no clear line. Fry, why do you think Nintendo is telling us that a new IP is coming if we have had tons of new franchises since Pikmin? It's Nintendo on a classic defense. If they get a "reputation", they spend time and money on proving it wrong. In all the time I've worked on NinDB, I don't think I've ever seen it work. They had a reputation for making kiddy games, so they respond with Eternal Darkness and Metroid Prime... However, the reputation stuck and the damage was already done, and they only shook it by becoming "family-friendly" with Wii and DS instead. Nobody wanted Nintendo to be "hardcore", and so (despite their efforts) they never were. The statement that they rely too much on their old IP has been around for a long time, and it's just continuing to be repeated despite massive evidence to the contrary. However, sales don't lie, and a game with Mario or Pokemon in the title is going to sell at least a dozen times better than something all-new. The announcement that they are developing a new IP is factually meaningless, and yet designed to fend off the critics who are blind to the wealth of new IP already available. And it's not like the competition is doing any better... I mean it's all about Halo, Call of Duty and BioShock from what I can see. At least Nintendo's new IP tends to be in different genres Well, he did develop the Nintendogs IP. Problem there is that nobody really wants to count that as it was for the casual gamer market. In that case, you have to go all the way back to Pikmin. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 14, 2010 5:56:15 GMT -5
I was counting Nintendogs, but that was still, what, half a decade ago? You can see why a new Miyamoto IP would be worth announcing specially.
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