So yeah, "False Bowser" really is just some bullshit name that Mario Wiki made up.
Even Wikipedia Japan mentions that the fake Bowser in Lost Levels has no official name, and a number of nicknames by fans have sprung up over the years, including "Blue Koopa" and "Bibinba". Nintendo Power's guide to Mario All-Stars had a tip headline that jokingly called it "Bowser's brother".
Last Edit: Nov 23, 2014 18:47:47 GMT -5 by Manspeed
Post by nocturnal YL on Dec 1, 2014 22:18:05 GMT -5
I tried to look for this thread from the other board. I thought "reference guide" has priority over "Smash Bros" in categorising the thread's topic.
Anyway, I want to talk about the events. Some of these may be references to things I don't know, and I'd be glad to unearth them with your help. And I can be wrong with the ones I listed too.
A Battle of Size
Tiny Olimar vs giant Bowser
Reference to Olimar's small size. Don't know if it counts towards Bowser's "final boss" size in games like Sunshine and Galaxy as well.
A Fated Battle
Link vs Ganondorf and 2 Dark Links if Castle Siege's bottom level is reached
All-Star Battle: Brawl
vs Pit, Charizard, ZSS, Wario, Diddy, Ike, Meta Knight, Dedede, Olimar, Lucario
All-Star Battle: Melee
vs Bowser, Peach, Zelda, Sheik, Marth, Mr G&W, Falco, Ganondorf
Fought in "Melee order" -- regulars, regular secret, then clones, and in the number of vs match order (Marth before G&W, Falco before Ganondorf)
All-Star Battle: Regulars
vs Mario, DK, Link, Samus, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu
"Original 8" order, aka Smash 64 character selection screen, aka debut order
All-Star Battle: Secret
Ness, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Dr. Mario, Toon Link, R.O.B., Sonic
A Situation of some Gravity
ZSS vs Rosalina, gravity applies only to ZSS
...A reference to Mario Galaxy's floaty physics?
200% Lucario vs invisible WFT and Sheik
Similar to some Melee/Brawl events
As Rosalina, plant flowers on Bowsers and Ganondorfs
Behind Enemy Lines
200% Fox must survive 200% Jr and Mega in 2 mins
Below the Belt
As Fire Mario, defend Mac and defeat giant Wireframe Mac
Punch-Out!! NES reference where Mario wearing white is the referee
Bounty Hunter Clash
Falcon vs ZSS vs 2 Villagers
By now I'll just chalk the Falcon/Samus thing up to Smash tradition...
Wario vs Dr Mario
...No Dr Mario 64 reference? I'm disappointed!
Dark Pit vs Pit (stamina)
Duck Hunt vs background ducks while two Falcos interfere and Scope/Ray Guns appear
This one should be self-explanatory
Enough with the Kidnapping
Peach vs Bowser/Bowser Jr in Mushroom Kingdom U with a constant Boss Galaga
Bowser and Junior are kidnappers of Peach; Boss Galaga and Nabbit added to extend the "kidnapping" theme
Bowser Jr (with giant Bowser ally) vs Mario and Luigi
Bowser tends to appear giant in the Mario platformers; he and Bowser Jr are parent and son while Mario and Luigi are brothers, hence the title
Charizard vs Greninja, Lucario and Pikachu with Fire Bars and Fire Flowers appearing
Self-explanatory; "fire" and "Pokémon" are the themes here
WFT vs 2 Warios
WFT is described as a health freak in Smash; Wario straight-up loves unhealthy life, as suggested in WarioWare materials like microgame descriptions
Four Swords Adventures
4 Toon Links in a stamina match with Village of the Blue Maiden playing in background
This isn't the first time they're doing an FSA-based event; no coins this time, though
Samus versus Samus in Dark Samus colour and Ridley (stamina)
Stage boss event #1; Event and Smash Tour are the only modes that allow proper boss fights
Great Fox Defense
Falco has to prevent parachuting Mr G&W enemies from landing
Combines the general concept of action-defence games and G&W Parachute...?
Guardian of the Jungle
DK & 2 Diddys vs 3 Duck Hunt teams
The DK crew protects their home while Duck Hunt is about destruction of nature (by hunting)
Sheik/Zelda vs Samus/ZSS (one stock per character)
Obvious reference to both their identities as the same persons, and to Smash Bros, where they used to transform
In the Name of the Hero-King
Marth vs Lucina (stamina)
Lucina disguises as and looks up to Marth. This match mirrors the earlier event, Doppelganger Duel, in that thye're both 200 HP stamina clone matches.
It's Past Your Bedtime!
Jigglypuff has to put Ness, Bowser Jr and Toon Link to sleep in the Gamer stage
Ness, Bowser Jr and Toon Link are (borderline) children, and Gamer is about stealthily playing games past bedtime
Coin battle with 4 Villagers; collect 1000G to win
King of the Yoshis
1-stock match with 8 Yoshis
The image of Yoshi adventuring with Mario has been around since SMW
Kirby's Crazy Appetite
Heal 100-140% as Kirby (depending on difficulty) while avoiding 3-5 Dededes (depending on time elapsed)
Kirby touches or inhales food to recover health in his home series
Shulk vs Metal ROB, Metal Mega Man and Metal Face (stamina), must be completed before sunrise
Stage boss event #2; the main enemies in Xenoblade are mechanical
New Challengers 1
vs Rosalina, WFT, Mac, Villager, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr, Lucina
Pure personal speculatoin, but is the ordering here based on the order they're put into the game?
New Challengers 2
vs Shulk, Greninja, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Robin, Palutena, Dark Pit
And this order zig-zags between these two events; I think it makes sense to make complicated characters like Bowser Jr and Robin later...
No Mere Sparring Match
Little Mac vs Wireframe Little Macs
Oh Yeah, Luigi Time!
Luigi (with optional ally giant Mario) vs giant Wario
Reference to Mario and Wario's rivalry(?), and Luigi's occasional tendency to save the day without Mario's presence
Ness must bury 2 Villagers
Free-for-all between Greninja and the other Pokémon
Another Smash event match staple
As Zelda, team up with Link and defeat Mairo and Peach
Makes fun of Zelda and Peach's tendency to be mere plot devices despite being sometimes depicted as powerful fighters themselves
ROB (with 2 ally ROBs) vs giant metal ROB
The ROB version of the Brawl event, The Hammer of the King
That Elusive Nine
Mr G&W must KO metal G&W with Judge 9
The Big 7650!
As Super Pac-Man, get 6 hits on the enemy Olimars
765 is the goroawase reading of "Namco"; this number appears in a lot of Namco games - like 765 Pro, the talent agency featured in Idolmaster (Konami similarly plays around with the number 573, even more so than Namco)
The Break of Day
Pit must Daybreak-KO the 3 Dark Pits
The Demon King and the Goddess
Ganondorf vs Link and Zelda, then Palutena after those two are down
Another possible Brawl reference, this time to the event Advent of the Evil King
The Destroyer Cometh
Palutena must defeat the 3 Ganondorfs before they break Skyworld's floors
The Falchion's Seal
Robin must defeat giant Charizard with a Final Smash
Reference to the Chrom ending of Fire Emblem Awakening. The background music Id (Purpose) reinforces this.
The Final Battle
vs Bowser, King Dedede and Ganondorf
Identical to Brawl's version
The FINAL Final Battle
vs Sonic and Mega Man, then Pac-Man, and then Mario
The Jungle in Chaos
Diddy Kongvs 20 Donkey Kongs
The King Strikes Back
Dedede vs Kirby (stamina) in the Boxing Ring
Dedede has been linked to boxing rings since the original Kirby's Dream Land; this also shows in Kirby Super Star/Ultra and Kirby Fighters/Deluxe
The Original Heavyweights
Mairo vs Bowser and DK
The Ultimate Swordsman
Free-for-all between Ike, Link, Marth, Meta Knight, Toon Link, Robin (M), Robin (F) and Shulk
These characters all use swords for their standard attacks; possibly a jab at those "too many swordfighters" complaints?
As Meta Knight, defeat Marth only and do not KO Peach or Zelda
Plays around with the idea of chivalry, which Meta Knight is about
Up to Speed
Sonic vs Fox, Falco and Captain Falcon (high-speed 1-stock)
Those are said to be some of the faster characters
When Lightning Strikes
Tiny Pikachu vs 3 giant Pikachus
Another Brawl event reference (DK Tag Calamity); also servesas a references to Pikachu's electric property
Mario must clear the building while 2 Warios help/interfere
...What, no Foreman Spike costume?
Mega Man vs Pikachu, Pac-Man and Yellow Devil (stamina)
Stage boss event #3
DK and Diddy vs Mario
1988 is NES DK's release year. Why can't they just use the better-known 1981 like the Japanese version does?
A Fairy Nice Trip
Pac-Man and Link must traverse Pac-Land while avoiding Kirbys
Both player characters are linked to fairies: Pac-Land's plot and several Links have fairy companions or visit Great Fairies
A Lurking Menace
Mario and Luigi vs Bowser Jr and giant Bowser (appears after ~30 seconds)
Reversal of Family Ties
A Royal Errand
Marth and Robin must collect 500G from Wario and Bowser
The friend with a sick mother in the description could have been Castor, according to a GameFAQs post
An Offering of Coins
Pit and Dark Pit need to collect 1000G in a battle against shadow Pit and shadow Dark Pit
A reference to the option to offer hearts to Palutena or Viridi (without rewards) in Kid Icarus: Uprising
Final Battle Team-Up
vs dark colour Link, dark colour Samus, Meta Knight, Dark Pit, Ganondorf, King Dedede, Bowser
Huh? Dedede? Regular Meta Knight? Dark Pit? Give us some real villains, can ya?
100% Kirby and 100% Dedede vs Yoshi, Wario and Pac-Man
All characters have moves for eating items or opponents. Also serves as a Gourmet Race reference.
Wario and Mr G&W vs shadow-coloured Mario and DK
Mario and DK have previously appeared in G&W games
Full Speed Ahead
Sonic and Falcon team ditto (high-speed 1-stock)
These two are some of the fastest characters; they also have the highest dash speed in the game
Little Mac and Wii Fit Trainer vs Kirby and Pac-Man
Yet another health nuts vs heavy eater joke...
Keep 'Em off the Ship!
Fox and Falco must prevent hordes of Mr G&W from boarding
Great Fox Defense's 2P variant. Additional points for not mistaking Pleiades as Great Fox.
Lucina and Ike vs Ganondorf and giant shadow Lucina and Ike (only Ganondorf KO is required)
Peach in Peril
Bowser and Bowser Jr vs ZSS, Rosalina, Zelda, WFT and Robin (F) while avoiding KOing Peach
Yet another Peach-gets-kidnapped joke, this time played from Bowser's perspective
Olimar and Samus vs 2 Charizards; players are under flower effect
PNF-404 is poisonous for Olimar; Samus may also take constant damage while immersed in environments such as acid, but I don't know if there's any instance of this happening with gas
Pokémon Multi Battle!
Pikachu/Lucario and Charizard/Greninja versus another set of the same Pokémon
Just where is Jigglypuff? Isn't Jigglypuff a starting character in Wii U?
Yoshi and Toon Link vs Robin*4
Both Kamek and Robin are magic users, although their execution differ greatly
Olimar and Rosalina vs Bowser, Bowser Jr, Mario and Luigi
"Close-as-family" versus biological family (why must these events repeat the same stuff over and over?)
Meta Knight and Dark Pit vs Captain Falcon and Falco; 60-second limit
Dark-ish fliers versus non-flying bird-themed righteous space people... ugh... (um, I think it's just more or less random)
The Ultimate Battle
vs clones, 3DS unlockables, guests and starters
...in that order; each group is further put in reverse game order, then unlock order or reveal(Brawl/3DS/Wii U) / selection screen (64/Melee) order... why must Smash arrange characters in a certain order is beyond me
Palutena and Ganondorf vs team G&W
Those two are depicted as enemies in multiple solo Smash Wii U events, thus their teaming up is said to be unlikely
Dr Mario and Peach vs dark blue Kirbys
Ness and Villager vs Kirby, Meta Knight, Fox, Falco, Olimar and Rosalina
...While Samus and Falcon are absent, so this isn't quite Melee's Space Travellers
Mario and Luigi must destroy the building with Wario and Dedede also present
Wrecking Mario's 2P version
So.... there. The events are both better and worse this time; on one hand I'm glad they're making more game references (that Castor reference was completely unexpected), but on the other hand I feel that some jokes are repeated too many times (yes, I know Bowser and his son have strong bond and love kidnapping Peach), while some (perhaps more obscure) opportunities are missed (like, as I said, Wrecking Crew colouration and Dr Mario 64). There are seemingly less non-game references too; with nothing like Melee's Pokémon movie references or Melee and Brawl's kaiju movie gags. Of course, there can simply be things that I missed; I'd be glad if anyone can point them out.
Last Edit: Dec 2, 2014 10:32:29 GMT -5 by nocturnal YL: The space bar hates me
Mechanical Menace is just a reference to the main enemies in Xenoblade being mechanical people.
There's a lot of biological v. mechanical in the game as well, what with the Bionis and Mechonis and what not. It's a nice event.
I'll have to go through all of those again and pick them apart, but one I did notice right away is Flat Fracas. Both Mario and Donkey Kong had G&W 'forms', given that they had games on the platform. No Link makes me a bit disappointed, but c'est le vie. G&W Zelda is super obscure.
I'll have to go through all of those again and pick them apart, but one I did notice right away is Flat Fracas. Both Mario and Donkey Kong had G&W 'forms', given that they had games on the platform. No Link makes me a bit disappointed, but c'est la vie (vie is feminine, people). G&W Zelda is super obscure.
Nice find. I noticed that too, but I wasn't sure if it was a reference to that or is it just a reference to Mario and DK's early entry to the game industry. Seeing that they're in shadow forms, plus the fact that the players are Wario (where the G&W system is referenced several times in WarioWare) and Mr G&W, it's probably a G&W reference.
At least G&W Zelda was showcased in Gallery 4. I hope they can release this game to Japan.
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