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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 5, 2007 10:38:11 GMT -5
It's not a perfect analogy by any means. But my point stands. Science isn't faulty, it's slowly progressive and based on reason (ideally, anyway). Basically, posit a theory, and if it is confirmed in one way or another, then it's right until proven otherwise. With religion you don't really see that kind of reasonable exchange of ideas between the faiths. All I'm doing is saying these Zelda storyline debates very quickly devolve into flaming and foot-stomping when there's no need for it. Theories can be tested, problems can be explained away or proven right or wrong... In short, if we're going to have a debate on the Zelda timeline, we're doing it MY way   |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 5, 2007 11:04:59 GMT -5
Coming back to the first post for a second... And is there an established backstory to the sword that anyone knows about? Who forged it for example? I just found this snippet from the ALttP manual... Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 5, 2007 18:10:32 GMT -5
The Master Sword was forged by the ancient sages long before OOT happened. Rauru said so.
I know for sure Oracles games happened after TWW. Why? Look at Ages, 400 years in the past the land is much smaller.... but in the present, the land is much larger... a possible clue that the Koroks' magical trees made the land grow bigger and bigger. Oh, and I am sure Labrynna is north of the Great Sea because Crescent Island is on the northernmost row of the Great Sea while it is on the southeasternmost corner on the Labrynna map.
I think the reason TWW Link has no connection to OOT Link is because they are not related. But TWW Link is related to Colin, the boy from TP! TP Link is related to OOT Link. Colin looked up to TP Link and wanted to be brave like him when he grows up.
So maybe that explains why the hero did not appear between TP and TWW. TP Link did not have children so therefore a new Link did not appear when Ganon came back and provoked the gods to flood Hyrule. So the next time Ganon came back, the gods made a new Link out of one of Colin's descendants (remember Colin said he wanted to be brave like TP Link?) and therefore TWW Link has no connection to OOT/TP Links.
So for now, I will say my Zelda timeline goes like this...
OOT -> MM -> TP -> TWW -> PH -> Oracles
I am not sure where to put the other Zelda games in the timeline, but I believe the timeline goes like this....
TMC -> FS -> FSA -> ALTTP
Why? Because FSA is when Ganon got the trident and was banned to Dark World at the end and Dark World was not corrupted when the four Links visited it multiple times during the adventure. So therefore Dark World must have gotten so corrupted into the twisted state you see in ALTTP.
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 5, 2007 18:13:22 GMT -5
Coming back to the first post for a second... And is there an established backstory to the sword that anyone knows about? Who forged it for example? I just found this snippet from the ALttP manual... Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it.Well, OOT reworte the story. In OOT, Rauru stated that the ancient sages forged the Master Sword and that was way before Ganondorf got the Triforce. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 5, 2007 18:17:51 GMT -5
I think the reason TWW Link has no connection to OOT Link is because they are not related. But TWW Link is related to Colin, the boy from TP! TP Link is related to OOT Link. Colin looked up to TP Link and wanted to be brave like him when he grows up. How did you get THAT conclusion? And most of the rest of your conclusions, in fact? EDIT WARNING TO ALL - basing stuff on the U.S. manual and translations is sooo n00bish |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 5, 2007 18:35:56 GMT -5
Well, OOT reworte the story. In OOT, Rauru stated that the ancient sages forged the Master Sword and that was way before Ganondorf got the Triforce. If I'd posted the very next sentence from that snippet... it goes on to talk about how the sages who made the sword searched for one to wield it. It seemed like needless fluff, however. The sages are, after all, people of Hyrule. EDIT: Oh, I see, it was before he got the Triforce... never mind, then. It's been a while since I thought about Zelda timelines. I completely forgot about how useless the translations pre-OoT were. |
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Post by Smashchu on Oct 5, 2007 18:47:00 GMT -5
GametrailerHere is a good "guide" to the split timeline theory. I beleive it puts LttP as one of the latter ones, and as you said, it sleeps forever at the end of LttP.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 5, 2007 19:02:22 GMT -5
You both just posted the same link... a link I watched EARLIER TODAY! Freaky! But that link is also rubbish. They talk as if they've never heard of the multiple Link and Zelda ideas... both of which are confirmed by the games themselves! The only good thing is their placement of the Oracles as the end of each of the timelines. That's a nice touch... but one I imagine was completely unintended by the developers. The question really becomes... if MM and TWW are on separate timelines, that brings us to one conclusion... TINGLE EXISTS ON BOTH TIMELINES!!  EDIT: Which I guess disproves Masamune's Triforce of Time theory |
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 5, 2007 19:02:49 GMT -5
I think the reason TWW Link has no connection to OOT Link is because they are not related. But TWW Link is related to Colin, the boy from TP! TP Link is related to OOT Link. Colin looked up to TP Link and wanted to be brave like him when he grows up. How did you get THAT conclusion? And most of the rest of your conclusions, in fact? EDIT WARNING TO ALL - basing stuff on the U.S. manual and translations is sooo n00bish King of Red Lions told Jabun that TWW Link has no connection to OOT Link. So if TWW Link is not related to OOT Link then he is not related to TP Link because TP Link is related to OOT Link because TP Link was given the clothes of OOT Link because the light spirit said TP Link was the chosen hero. So if TP Link was the chosen hero then why was there no hero between TP and TWW? I remember in ALTTP ALTTP Link was descended from a long line of heroes (presumely the Links of the past) so therefore a new Link is always the descendant of the previous Link. Maybe it is because TP Link didn't have descendants when Ganon showed up so there was no new Link so the next time Ganon came back, the gods made a new chosen hero in TWW Link who happens to be Colin's descendant. Why is TWW Link Colin's descendant? Because Colin told TP Link that when he grows up, he wants to be brave like him. That was in the beginning of the game and maybe after the fight with the Bulblin King at the Bridge of Eldin. So by the end of TP, Colin is brave like TP Link. Colin even told TP Link that when he (Colin) has a son, he will raise the son to be able to do anything just like TP Link! To me, the game has been dropping hints that Colin will have a descendant who would be just like every other Link so it would make sense if TWW Link is Colin's descendant since he has no connection to OOT Link and TP Link. Even if my theory is wrong, it is still an interesting angle!  |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 5, 2007 19:07:46 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your theory? According to the developers, TWW and TP take place around the same time in seperate timelines.
And there's a lot of contradictory stuff as to whether or not TWW Link is related to OoT Link. King of Red Lions says he doesn't think he is, but the Ganon says, without any doubt, that he is the Hero of Time reborn.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 5, 2007 19:11:58 GMT -5
When danger threatens Hyrule, a Hero is chosen. That doesn't presuppose any kind of blood relation... just that when evil surfaces, one person is fated to don the green tunic and save the world (don't forget, Link is simply the default name...). The Hylian bloodline provides the Zeldas, and I'm still not 100% convinced there's more than one Ganondorf (apart from the Four Swords one, who is a spinoff character, so doesn't really count).
Whereas your Colin thing is very much based on highly arguable assumptions. I would say that while everything you said DOES happen in the game, not one word of it presupposes any kind of relation between Link and Colin. It would also not have any effect on the storyline. Colin simply looked up to Link... Link was the "cool kid" in the village, if you like.
And who can disagree? Anyone who has magnetic boots, a ball and chain and dual clawshots IS extra cool!
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 5, 2007 19:13:57 GMT -5
Reincarnation =/= blood connection. But yeah, I seem to recall Aonuma or whatever his name say that OOT had two endings, one timeline continued in the apocalypic future and the other timeline continued in the paradisic past.. so the future led to TWW and the past led to TP... |
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 5, 2007 19:31:19 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your theory? According to the developers, TWW and TP take place around the same time in seperate timelines. And there's a lot of contradictory stuff as to whether or not TWW Link is related to OoT Link. King of Red Lions says he doesn't think he is, but the Ganon says, without any doubt, that he is the Hero of Time reborn. Reborn does not necessarily mean great-great-great (X 50) grandson. It means reincarnation. Therefore what Ganon meant was just a reincarnation. I mean really, SPOILER if Link gets with Tetra at the end, won't that be considered incest? Every Zelda is a descendant of another one. But if the Links were as well....  |
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Post by Arcadenik on Oct 5, 2007 19:39:02 GMT -5
Hahaha, I could read the blue text without highlighting.  Incest is best, or so the saying goes in Hyrule. LOL I always thought that OOT Link and OOT Zelda were long lost twins. |
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Post by wanderingshadow on Oct 5, 2007 20:14:38 GMT -5
While were on the subject of Zelda timelines, there are certain games that seem to be ignored. I'm speaking of none other than Tingle's Rose-Colored Rupeeland and Tingle's Balloon Fight. Where do they fit in?
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