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Post by Savage Adam on Oct 6, 2007 17:14:29 GMT -5
This topic makes my brain hurt!
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Post by NinjaRygar on Oct 6, 2007 20:05:02 GMT -5
I always figured Minish Cap and Four Sword Adventures were linked.
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Post by Spud on Oct 6, 2007 20:08:53 GMT -5
The biggest hole in your theory? According to the developers, TWW and TP take place around the same time in seperate timelines. And there's a lot of contradictory stuff as to whether or not TWW Link is related to OoT Link. King of Red Lions says he doesn't think he is, but the Ganon says, without any doubt, that he is the Hero of Time reborn. Accually there is a very small thing that probably holds true in the original Japanese. This surrounds the Shield you get at the beginning of wind waker; Link's Grandma mentions "Hanging the family shield on the wall is another traditions from those days." If you select the shield on the start menu it says "This this shield was said to have been used by the legendary hero himself." (I might be off sightly but thats the gist of the quote.). So one could conclude that Link in OoT is in fact the ancestor of Link in WW. Or one could say I'm being nitpicky for basing a conclusion off of an item that you only have for a short time. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 7, 2007 3:52:03 GMT -5
I always figured Minish Cap and Four Sword Adventures were linked. Oh they are... Minish Cap tells the story of the forging of the Four Sword and Vaati's rise. So MC is the prequel to FS and FSA. I was going to mention something about the shield, but then my brain stopped me and said "BUT IT'S BROWN!! It probably isn't the same shield at all!!" and I chickened out. Although you are not alone in thinking that shield ties them together somehow  |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 7, 2007 7:38:39 GMT -5
Uh... I don't know why. As far as I'm aware, no Zelda game in history has ever portrayed Link and Zelda as a couple, or even suggested they became one.  Well isn't it obvious though? Except in TP, the Zelda has always had affection for the Link (or vice versa). No more so than Malon, Saria, Ruto, Medli... even Nabooru. You could make a convincing case for any of them. As far as OoT Link and Zelda, though... I don't think it's possible in either timeline. Think about it... adult timeline? After beating Ganon, Link is sent back in time... effectively erasing him from that timeline. This could be why TWW Link is apparently not a blood relative of his, come to think of it. Child timeline... Link heads off to Termina before they grow up, and we don't know whether or not he ever returned to Hyrule. We'll probably never know. |
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Post by Spud on Oct 7, 2007 8:16:00 GMT -5
Well isn't it obvious though? Except in TP, the Zelda has always had affection for the Link (or vice versa). No more so than Malon, Saria, Ruto, Medli... even Nabooru. You could make a convincing case for any of them. As far as OoT Link and Zelda, though... I don't think it's possible in either timeline. Think about it... adult timeline? After beating Ganon, Link is sent back in time... effectively erasing him from that timeline. This could be why TWW Link is apparently not a blood relative of his, come to think of it. Child timeline... Link heads off to Termina before they grow up, and we don't know whether or not he ever returned to Hyrule. We'll probably never know. Well, wats to say Link isn't a paligimist?
I always figured Minish Cap and Four Sword Adventures were linked. Oh they are... Minish Cap tells the story of the forging of the Four Sword and Vaati's rise. So MC is the prequel to FS and FSA. I was going to mention something about the shield, but then my brain stopped me and said "BUT IT'S BROWN!! It probably isn't the same shield at all!!" and I chickened out. Although you are not alone in thinking that shield ties them together somehow Yeah that would seem to be the big thing is that WW's shield doesn't resemble at all OoT's shield, however you do see a Link in Hyrule castle waring the same shield and even though he looks more like LoZ or AoL's Link since only the OoT link is ever mentioned one can assume that he is OoT Link. |
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 7, 2007 9:18:52 GMT -5
The shield may not resemble OoT Link, or any of the above Link's...but did anyone else notice that it is the same shield Minish Cap Link used?
Unless I'm mistaken...
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 7, 2007 9:25:33 GMT -5
And Four Swords Link... but it's more that the designers didn't bother coming up with new designs for Link. They just used the Wind Waker designs for every character they could.
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Post by Spud on Oct 7, 2007 16:13:47 GMT -5
The shield may not resemble OoT Link, or any of the above Link's...but did anyone else notice that it is the same shield Minish Cap Link used? Unless I'm mistaken... It's a style matter. I bet if it was the OoT or TP graphics then it would be a normal Hylan shield. |
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 7, 2007 17:18:09 GMT -5
The shield may not resemble OoT Link, or any of the above Link's...but did anyone else notice that it is the same shield Minish Cap Link used? Unless I'm mistaken... It's a style matter. I bet if it was the OoT or TP graphics then it would be a normal Hylan shield. I wouldn't say that. OoT and Majora's Mask had two different shields, and they were the same style... MM  OoT  And here is the Minish Cap shield.  And this is the Wind Waker shield.  |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 7, 2007 17:44:07 GMT -5
Wow, I'd never actually noticed the OoT-MM shield thing before. I'd always assumed it was the same shield! Me is blind! I think it's safe to say there's no "Master Shield" to go with the Master Sword's endurance through the series. |
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 7, 2007 18:00:43 GMT -5
The MM Hero Shield likely came about to avoid the contradictions the Hylian Shield would've caused. Think about it - if a Like Like ate your shield, you'd have to buy a new one. It wouldn't make much sense if the stores in a land that's never heard of Hyrule were selling Hylians Shields. |
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Post by TV Eye on Oct 7, 2007 18:15:09 GMT -5
The MM Hero Shield likely came about to avoid the contradictions the Hylian Shield would've caused. Think about it - if a Like Like ate your shield, you'd have to buy a new one. It wouldn't make much sense if the stores in a land that's never heard of Hyrule were selling Hylians Shields. Well you start the game out with the shield in a forest in Hyrule. Were there even Like-Likes in MM? I don't remember. And if you killed them, you could always get your shield back... |
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Post by NinjaRygar on Oct 7, 2007 21:56:30 GMT -5
Also it kinda looks like the design on the Majora's Mask sheild is a reversed version of the Hylian sheild.... with the bird above the triforce, and the wings going inward instead of outward. It could be to represent how Termania is a different dimension?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 8, 2007 3:23:04 GMT -5
There were Like Likes. They lived in the Great Bay area - usually at the bottom of the sea. I think the different shields are likely to be for the reason KC provided - to stop in-universe continuity problems (yeah right... like THAT ever stopped the Zelda games!!) Anyway... we're onto the minutae again. Back to the big picture. If the games go... OoT-MM ---> TWW-PH ---> ? \---------> TP ---> ? Where could ALttP-LA and LoZ-AoL go? I have already said that my instinct is to put ALttP after TP, as this seems to be the intention behind TP's locations and architecture. Of course this causes other headaches, as it means sometime between TP and ALttP, Ganondorf survives having a sword through his chest wound, and ends up locked in the Golden Land, which is where he is at the end of OoT. OoT-MM ---> TWW-PH ---> ? \---------> TP ---> ALttP-LA Now the original. These games are too vague, but they definitely take place in the same Hyrule as ALttP, which may mean they don't take place after TWW (unless that is "resolved" somehow). So... OoT-MM ---> TWW-PH ---> ? \---------> TP ---> ALttP-LA ---> LoZ-AoL Now, there are still problems with this theory. There are no doubt still gaps in it that need to be filled by new games as well! I'm certainly not 100% happy with it. I'd quite like it if LoZ-AoL fell after TWW-PH, perhaps as an alternate timeline to ALttP! That would answer the "retelling of the same story" thing, the lack of a Master Sword and the different lay of the land (been under the sea!) etc. But then couldn't LA suggest the Great Sea? What if it's the ALttP-LA pairing that's on TWW's timeline? *explodes* |
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