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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 13, 2004 18:31:48 GMT -5
Nope! In fact Nintendo hadn't ever made it clear what relationship they were, so HAL decided on one for SSBM. They made them lovers. Though even in SSBM that was never really explored.
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Post by Ace_ETP on Oct 14, 2004 14:48:34 GMT -5
Nope! In fact Nintendo hadn't ever made it clear what relationship they were, so HAL decided on one for SSBM. They made them lovers. Though even in SSBM that was never really explored. Where are they explicitly identified as lovers? I think you should do the Hero Of Time, Hero Of Winds and Hero Of Legend and just stay off the Oracles Link and FSA Link as most people will get pissed off if you equate them with any other Link. I wouldn't (FSA Link is Hero Of Winds for me, and Oracles Link is an entirely new Link, since Impa looks different). When are you going to do Red? I'm so anxious! He has no personality besides your own (he deosn't even talk in GSC!), so I think you should include the Team Rocket encounters in his bio. Are there any references to the old heroes in Ruby and Sapphire? I swear I haven't yet read on the Internet any spoilers concerning the storyline. Is is just focused on the boy, the girl and that Steven guy? |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 15, 2004 4:27:15 GMT -5
I didn't notice any references to the original heroes in Ruby/Sapphire when I played. However, Red will be added when he's drawn. My initial problem is that where there is more than one design for a character, I like to either do the most regularly used one, or work bits of both into them. So I'm trying to mix up the original RBY with FR/LG's artwork, and making sure I leave nothing out from the sprites too  As for Popo and Nana - it's explicitly mentioned on the Japanese SSBM website. And has been so long before SSBM was released, even over there. |
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Post by Yamato.EXE V2 on Oct 16, 2004 19:09:47 GMT -5
I' curious about the female trainer (Blue) from FR/LG's default name. In the manga Red (Satoshi/Ash) supposed to have Bulbasaur, Green (Shigeru/Gary) is the same for Charmander and Blue well eventually she stole Squitle for Prof. Oak/Okido's Lab. Wow there is gonna be a fourth generation of Pokemon. Pocket Monsters will never end.
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Post by Yamato.EXE V2 on Oct 16, 2004 19:13:29 GMT -5
Oracles Link is really Link III (Hero of Legends) when he was younger of ALTTP/LA.
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Post by Ace_ETP on Oct 17, 2004 0:21:58 GMT -5
Oracles Link is really Link III (Hero of Legends) when he was younger of ALTTP/LA. You don't even want to start that debate. Specially not with me. But since we're rambling on about the subject and I visited some Zelda sites earlier today, I think I shall present my opinion on why the Link from Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and the Minish Cap is the Hero Of Winds: just look at the artwork. He's not even the least bit different. He's small and anime-like. He has green sleeves, like in the Wind Waker, and not white/greyish sleeves like the Hero Of Time, or brown sleeves like the Hero Of Legend or the Original Link. And look at the buckle on his belt: it is the same swirl we saw in TWW. I've heard things as crazy as FSA being a sequel to Link's Awakening. And on the Oracles Link: The vast majority of Zelda fans put the Links in this order: Hero Of Time-Hero Of Winds-Hero Of Legend-Original Link, and since there is a boat in the opening and ending sequences of the Oracle games, many have found it temptating to make the Oracles Link the Hero Of Legend, after A Link To The Past but before Link's Awakening. Link's design in that game (he's blond and has brown sleeves) resembles both the Young Hero Of Time and the Hero Of Legend. However, the game borrows a lot from many of the series. Malon's and Zelda's designs are exactly the same from OoT. But Impa looks different than what she looks like in Oot and in LoZ/AoL. I think even though there are good reasons to rule out that he's either the Hero Of Time or the Original Link (who is brown-haired) or that he's a whole new Link (he already has a connection with the Triforce), some problems arise with equating him with the Hero Of Legend, mostly having to do on how Malon and a Zelda that looks different to the A Link To The Past Zelda ended up in Labrynna and/or Holodrum. Well, in those places the goddesses who created Hyrule (their real identities Link never probably fully understood) passed off as regular denizens, and since they were magical alternate dimensions, maybe it's not that weird that a little something from each point of the timeline was included. So maybe it is reasonable to assume that he is the Hero Of Legend. But maybe we shouldn't care. The Oracle games, whilst good, are probably the least loved parts of the series. Oh, and on the subject of more Nintendo characters, can we get a page for Samus anytime soon? There's not much storyline to cover, and it'd be cool if she was the first female character to be covered. Wait...there's Bubbles...change that to first human female character to be covered. |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Oct 17, 2004 10:22:25 GMT -5
You don't even want to start that debate. Specially not with me. But since we're rambling on about the subject and I visited some Zelda sites earlier today, I think I shall present my opinion on why the Link from Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and the Minish Cap is the Hero Of Winds: just look at the artwork. He's not even the least bit different. He's small and anime-like. He has green sleeves, like in the Wind Waker, and not white/greyish sleeves like the Hero Of Time, or brown sleeves like the Hero Of Legend or the Original Link. And look at the buckle on his belt: it is the same swirl we saw in TWW. I've heard things as crazy as FSA being a sequel to Link's Awakening. And on the Oracles Link: The vast majority of Zelda fans put the Links in this order: Hero Of Time-Hero Of Winds-Hero Of Legend-Original Link, and since there is a boat in the opening and ending sequences of the Oracle games, many have found it temptating to make the Oracles Link the Hero Of Legend, after A Link To The Past but before Link's Awakening. Link's design in that game (he's blond and has brown sleeves) resembles both the Young Hero Of Time and the Hero Of Legend. However, the game borrows a lot from many of the series. Malon's and Zelda's designs are exactly the same from OoT. But Impa looks different than what she looks like in Oot and in LoZ/AoL. I think even though there are good reasons to rule out that he's either the Hero Of Time or the Original Link (who is brown-haired) or that he's a whole new Link (he already has a connection with the Triforce), some problems arise with equating him with the Hero Of Legend, mostly having to do on how Malon and a Zelda that looks different to the A Link To The Past Zelda ended up in Labrynna and/or Holodrum. Well, in those places the goddesses who created Hyrule (their real identities Link never probably fully understood) passed off as regular denizens, and since they were magical alternate dimensions, maybe it's not that weird that a little something from each point of the timeline was included. So maybe it is reasonable to assume that he is the Hero Of Legend. But maybe we shouldn't care. The Oracle games, whilst good, are probably the least loved parts of the series. Oh, and on the subject of more Nintendo characters, can we get a page for Samus anytime soon? There's not much storyline to cover, and it'd be cool if she was the first female character to be covered. Wait...there's Bubbles...change that to first human female character to be covered. Minish Cap Link is going to look like Hero of Winds, and I'm pretty darn sure he's different from Four-Swords Link, so you can't really go by looks. One problem that people have with Oracle coming after LttP(even if you think it's a different Link) is the Master Sword is in it and in LttP it says the Master Sword sleeps forever. My current theory is a Miyamoto timeline(for those who don't know, this is a timeline with LttP after LoZ/AoL.) Although I'm not quite sure where to place Four-Swords and Oracle. Oracle is either after WW or AoL, but FS doesn't seem to fit anywhere. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 17, 2004 15:07:02 GMT -5
I would assume Four Swords Link is the same as Wind Waker Link, thanks to the "Tetra's Trackers" game in the Japanese version of Four Swords Adventures. Tetra and Link, together again. As for a Samus page... not much storyline? Are you crazy in the coconut? She has the most intricate and detailed storyline of ANY Nintendo series. While I can happily skip over details in some games, if I miss a moment of a Metroid game, I'm out. Besides... she's really hard to draw well  |
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Post by magna17 on Oct 17, 2004 15:20:00 GMT -5
about WAY before... OH PLEASE! OH PLEASE! OH PLEASE! DRAW MACH RIDER
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Post by Ace_ETP on Oct 17, 2004 15:20:53 GMT -5
[ As for a Samus page... not much storyline? Are you crazy in the coconut? I meant that you would only have to cover three games. A 3-year old child can understand the full Mario storyline, but it will the page will probably be gargantuan in size to the Samus one. Now I'm even more mixed up. Saying that "The Master Sword sleeps forever" doesn't mean anything. And many other "official" (as the ones every once in a while posted in official sites) storylines put A Link To The Past and Link's Awakening before the original game, like most fans do. And take a look at this: in TWW, the bipedal Zoras from OoT/MM have evolved into Ritos. And in ALTTP/LA and in LoZ/Aol there are no bipedal Zoras or Ritos, but the horrible "River" Zora monsters, which makes it easier to put them in the timeline after TWW since it seems bipedal Zoras are extinct. But in the Oracle games, where it does make sense if a little something from everyplace is put in the games, we have both River and bipedal Zoras. So you can put the Oracle games anywhere in the timeline, but there are good reasons to believe the Link there is the Hero Of Legend (blond hair, brown sleeves, a connection with the Triforce, the boat, etc.), but I'm indesicive. I think pages for the Heroes of Time, Winds, and Legend should be made and any reference to the Oracle games should be avoided. Oh, and for those who have trouble placing ALTTP after TWW, think about the River Zoras and why Hyrule is different in OoT. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 17, 2004 15:45:22 GMT -5
[I meant that you would only have to cover three games. A 3-year old child can understand the full Mario storyline, but it will the page will probably be gargantuan in size to the Samus one. Metroid (+ Zero Mission), Metroid Prime, Metroid 2, Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion? Don't forget Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime Hunters. I'd say Samus's page would be quite large. [ Now I'm even more mixed up. Saying that "The Master Sword sleeps forever" doesn't mean anything. And many other "official" (as the ones every once in a while posted in official sites) storylines put A Link To The Past and Link's Awakening before the original game, like most fans do. The original games don't contain the Master Sword, though. Don't be fooled... there's a Magic Sword, but no Master Sword. [ And take a look at this: in TWW, the bipedal Zoras from OoT/MM have evolved into Ritos. And in ALTTP/LA and in LoZ/Aol there are no bipedal Zoras or Ritos, but the horrible "River" Zora monsters, which makes it easier to put them in the timeline after TWW since it seems bipedal Zoras are extinct. Rito is the name of a particular Zora... not an "evolved" Zora. A dead one at that. The Zora link is always going to be tenuous. Just because we don't see any Zoras doesn't mean that the whole world doesn't fit this-or-that timeline. That's like saying: Polar Bears exist. There are no Polar Bears in Japan. Therefore, Japan does not exist. See? |
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Post by Yamato.EXE V2 on Oct 17, 2004 17:09:47 GMT -5
Link's Awakening was the first Zelda franchise i seen and it was embrassing that everyone mistakens that Zelda is a guy.
Everyone knows that Samus is an orphan thanks to the info of the SSBM trophy: Samus Unmasked but it was only in the Japanese version same with the Mario & Yoshi Trophy.
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Post by kirbychu on Oct 17, 2004 18:29:27 GMT -5
Rito is the name of a particular Zora... not an "evolved" Zora. A dead one at that. I think you're thinking of Ruto. Rito are the bird people in The Wind Waker. |
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Post by Ace_ETP on Oct 17, 2004 20:16:59 GMT -5
I think you're thinking of Ruto. Rito are the bird people in The Wind Waker. Exactly what I was going to point out. I hope he sees this and see that my Zora theory kinda makes sense. Ok, let me change that to: Zoras are extinct in Hyrule |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 18, 2004 13:50:06 GMT -5
Okay, okay... yes, I made that mistake (one little letter)... but you still can't say that the Zora EVOLVED into the Rito. There's NO resemblance whatsoever, and nothing in the game that says so. I was of the opinion that the Rito were an evolved race of Hylians... especially considering that one of them is said to be descended from the running guy from OoT.
Still. My one mistake doesn't invalidate everything I say. I think it's safe to say that in The Wind Waker EVERYTHING in Hyrule is extinct, aside from a few of Ganondorf's minions. A species can't be extinct in one area... maybe they just moved away when they sensed danger. A species that's not there can always come back later.
Zelda storylines are confusing...
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