Archive: Smash Bros. Dojo Updates

[Spud]

Oh no. Not K.K. Not another shot at K.K's Song. I doubt it though considering that Totaka isn't the head of this fine games music.

I wonder if this level will have special events for Christmas or New Years and such Holidays.

[nocturnal YL]

One thing: Stages have icons too, not just characters. Notice the previous games,

So perhaps there will be no Animal Crossing characters playable. Sad, but I guess that's it.

I once tried to type in the address myself to see what the rest of the icons are, but no. They aren't added in unless it is actually used in the site.

And according to the theory suggested by thores, IC, FE and GW will sti have their characters/stages/whatever. I hope it's true.

I haven't tried any game of the series yet, but taking a closer look that guy in the 1st pic doesn't seem to be Tom Nook himself.

[Spud]

Yes, but what stage had an icon that no character had?

[Fryguy64]

spud said:

Oh no. Not K.K. Not another shot at K.K's Song. I doubt it though considering that Totaka isn't the head of this fine games music.

No, but he IS writing proper music for the game - probably this stage's and the Yoshi's Story stage. I'd be very surprised if he (and Sakurai) didn't sneak K.K. Song in somehow. It is like the ONLY Nintendo in-joke that isn't a blatant cameo.

[Boo Destroyer]

thores said:

I'm thinking the requirement for a franchise to earn its own symbol is that it, at the very least, has to have its own stage. So if a franchise has a stage, it doesn't necessarily need a character to have a symbol. As for Resetti, if he doesn't appear on this stage, Assist Trophy. Almost definitely.

Anyways, this is an awesome update, and it actually confirms a couple other things:

- No playable Tom Nook (sorry fans), or any Animal Crossing character, really
- Battlefield turns from day to night as time passes in-game, otherwise the Wii's internal clock would have been mentioned specifically like it is here.

Also, here is the current symbol list:
1. Smash Bros
2. DK
3. Star Fox
4. Kirby
5. F-Zero
6. Metroid
7.
8. Pokemon
9. Zelda
10. Mario
11. Yoshi
12.
13.
14.
15. Animal Crossing
16. Wario
17.
18. Kid Icarus

The current theory that the first 11 are the franchises represented in Smash 64, 12-14 are the added Melee franchises, and 15 forward are new ones, is looking to be 100% true so far. At this pace, Earthbound will be #7, and unless we get a brand new franchise symbol in slot 12/13/14 along the road, it's almost a sure thing that Ice Climbers and Game and Watch aren't cut.

Actually, that's not Tom Nook, but probably one of his little helpers. Different attire, if you notice.

Number 17 will probably be Pikmin. It may have only 2 games so far, but it certainly is established enough to warrant Olimar as a playable character. Or have a level of his in there.

[thores]

fliptroopa said:

Somebody on Gamefaqs swears that Tom Nook isn't in the bg; it's his store assistant in Wild World. Can anybody confirm or refute this?

Haha, no. First of all, he has two assistants: His nephews, Timmy and Tommy (or something). And that is neither Timmy NOR Tommy. He's way too tall, Timmy and Tommy are like six.

boodestroyer said:

Actually, that's not Tom Nook, but probably one of his little helpers. Different attire, if you notice.

Again, not Timmy or Tommy. And in the Animal Crossing games, Tom Nook's outfit changes everytime he upgrades his store. I'm pretty sure this is either his "Nookingtons" outfit or his "Nook N Go" outfit.

In any case, sorry to disappoint the people who still refuse to believe he's not playable, but that is DEFINITELY Tom Nook in the background.

Could he simply be playable and disappear from the background when his player controlled counterpart is on the stage? It's possible. But it's not something I see Sakurai doing. In Melee, and Smash 64 for that matter, the background characters were never playable. And there were some pretty important franchise characters in the background sometimes.

I wouldn't completely hate being proven wrong here, since he's not a terrible idea for a character, but if he's in the background I just don't see him being a fighter. Period. Sorry.

[Spud]

Yeah that's Nook's Nook 'N' Go Outfit. And why would he have to disappear from the background? Remember that you can play as 4 of the same character in Smash, so theres no rule stating he can't be in two places at once.

[thores]

Again: Background characters have never been playable before. Why would that change now? Having Nook be both playable and a background character makes far less sense than just giving another AC character the stage cameo in his place. I'm not a Nook hater by any means, but I don't see why people keep trying to rationalize that he still may be playable. I am 99.9% positive that his appearance on this stage is proof that he is not going to be a fighter.

[Dasher Misire]

I want Resetti to be playable but more likely he may be an assist.

Nook must be selling souviners for the fighting, like maybe throwing out an item or two, food or a Smash Ball. I wish XD.

But what's creepy is this is the second time I've been right about a stage. I sorta got the Hyrule Field prediction correct. But I predicted an AC GCN stage with Jingle flying in the sky if it's December and passerbys running through the stage. So this is a pretty well coincidence or I'm psychic.

I have a feeling Tallon IV may get in, too. Or SR388. I hope.

[Blueberry_pie]

thores said:

Again: Background characters have never been playable before. Why would that change now?

Doesn't the Blue Falcon appear in SSBM's F-Zero stages? Granted, you don't actually see Captain Falcon inside it, but since it is his vehicle we can at least assume he's driving it.

And why wouldn't it change? There have been plenty of changes made already.

[Arcadenik]

Tom Nook being in the background doesn't rule him out as a possible newcomer.

Dr. Mario and Mario are the same person and they were in Melee. Link and Young Link are the same person and they were in Melee. So how would background Tom Nook and playable Tom Nook be illogical?

So a background character was never playable in the past Smash games? Hmmm... What about Mr. Game & Watch? One of him is the Manhole guy and the other one of him is the Oil Panic guy and one of him is the playable one.

And besides there are thousands of Tom Nooks in Animal Crossing. There is one Tom Nook in each town. When you travel to your friend's town, you meet that town's Tom Nook. So maybe Smashville's Tom Nook is not playable but Smashtown's Tom Nook is playable?

And as for the leaf symbol, that implies a playable character from the Animal Crossing series.

Look at Dr. Wright, he is in Brawl but he isn't playable. And he didn't even get his SimCity symbol. He just got the generic Smash symbol.

Oh, and Samurai Goro, he isn't playable but he still got the F-Zero symbol. That implies a playable F-Zero character (C. Falcon, no doubt).

Oh, and Yoshi's Island stage got the egg symbol. That stage has no confirmed Yoshi characters but it is strongly implied there will be a Yoshi character (Yoshi himself, no doubt).

Since there is a leaf symbol for the Animal Crossing franchise, that means at least one character from the series is playable. And that means Animal Crossing characters are capable of fighting whether you think "oh, he never fought so he can't be in" or not.

[Boo Destroyer]

Okay, enough about that. Sure isn't going anywhere. Even if Tom Nook isn't playable, it doesn't matter to me.

While I still stand by my theory that there could have been Brawl on the GC some years ago (or another version of Smash thereof), there's plenty of other things to consider.

The Stages section should be "grouped" (with the section bits above like in How to Play and Items) into "Arenas" and "Levels" (for an Adventure Mode). And maybe "Enemies" and "Bosses".

Now then, what other rich bits are you guys expecting/wanting to see?

[thores]

Okay, I'm gonna drop the Tom Nook thing. I'm obviously not going to convince anyone that still wants to believe in Tom Nook as playable, and nobody's going to convince me that he IS playable besides Sakurai himself . I do want to make a note on this specific part on the argument, though:

arcadenik said:

And as for the leaf symbol, that implies a playable character from the Animal Crossing series.

Look at Dr. Wright, he is in Brawl but he isn't playable. And he didn't even get his SimCity symbol. He just got the generic Smash symbol.

Stages have their own franchise symbols too. When you select a stage in Melee (and I think the original too?), you'll see the franchise symbol right behind the text describing the stage. So a franchise having a stage alone means that the Smash team has to make a symbol for it.

It seems kind of unlikely that this will happen, because which character will use Smashville as their home stage if not an AC character, but it's entirely possible for a franchise to have a stage and no characters and still have its own symbol. All Mr. Wright having a generic symbol proves is that there won't be any SimCity stages OR characters.

[Arcadenik]

Why would Sakurai put in an Animal Crossing stage but not include an Animal Crossing character? I would let it slide if it had a Smash symbol, indicating no Animal Crossing characters are playable. But this isn't the case, it has the Leaf symbol indicating there will be at least one playable Animal Crossing character.

The logic applies to Yoshi's Island, too. I see that this stage has the Egg eymbol so that means at least one Yoshi character is playable. And we all know Yoshi himself will be playable anyway.

This is how I see it:

Smash symbol = no one from so-so franchise is playable (example: Dr. Wright and anyone from SimCity are out; I am sure it is safe to say Nintendogs are out)

Theme symbol = at least one character from so-so franchise is playable (example: Samurai Goro from F-Zero is out but C. Falcon is likely in; Yoshi from Yoshi and someone from Animal Crossing are likely in)

[thores]

Did you not read a word I just said in my last post? Agh, never mind. I guess we'll just see what happens over the next four and a half months.