Who you want in SSB:B

[Saim]

I partly agree with your list, but;

Mewtwo isn't going anywhere. Mewtwo is a legendary Pokemon, that's very popular and well-known, that got it's own movie.

Get rid of Roy and Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff was never imporant in the games, and isn't important anymore in the anime, and Roy was just an ad for FE6.

Get rid of Gardevoir. Come on. Are you being serious? Gardevoir is knowhere near popular compared to Deoxys, Blaziken and Plusle & Minun.

Add Lucario, Deoxys, Plusle & Minun, Munchlax, Dragonite and Charizard.

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saimdusan said:

I partly agree with your list, but;

Mewtwo isn't going anywhere. Mewtwo is a legendary Pokemon, that's very popular and well-known, that got it's own movie.

Get rid of Roy and Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff was never imporant in the games, and isn't important anymore in the anime, and Roy was just an ad for FE6.

Get rid of Gardevoir. Come on. Are you being serious? Gardevoir is knowhere near popular compared to Deoxys, Blaziken and Plusle & Minun.

Add Lucario, Deoxys, Plusle & Minun, Munchlax, Dragonite and Charizard.

The problem with Mewtwo is that, popular as he may be, he wasn't well received by SSB players. He's awkward to play as unless you can invent your way around that, so he's got a lot working against him. And you'd be surprised how popular Gardevoir is, especially for people who don't like the Legendaries as much. Plus, Gardevoir made it onto the Toukouken list and Deoxys didn't--to my recollection--meaning Gardevoir is a more likely candidate than Deoxys.

Plusle and Minun? Are you kidding me, after all the Pichu-related griping that's been going on here and other places? Wow, it's like Pichu only there's two of them and they're more useless. Ice Climbers Pichu. I don't see it working out for some reason.

Roy and Jigglypuff, now there's a set of characters not going anywhere. They're too widely used. If popularity and current importance outside SSB really made a difference, we wouldn't have seen Marth or Roy, Falco, Mr. Game & Watch or a bunch of other characters on the Melee roster.

In short, I stand by my list.

Edit: I decided to extend my total list by adding some stages that would be neat to see.

Super Mario Bros.:
Mario - Delfino Island: Rico Harbor
Luigi - Mushroom Kingdom: Luigi's Mansion (Rooftop)
Peach - Classic Mushroom Kingdom: Super Mario Bros. Underworld
Bowser - Koopa Kingdom: Bowser's Castle
Toad - Classic Mushroom Kingdom: Super Mario Bros. 3
Geno - Mushroom Kingdom: Forest Maze

Legend of Zelda:
Link - Dark Realm: ??? (TP)
Zelda - Classic Hyrule: Overworld (LoZ)
Ganondorf - Hyrule: Ganon's Castle (OoT)
Young Link - Great Ocean: Forsaken Fortress (WW)
Vaati - Hyrule: Death Mountain (FSA)

Star Fox:
Fox McCloud - Lylat System: Corneria
Falco Lombardi - Lylat System: Titania Desert
Krystal - Lylat System: Zoness Sea Base
Wolf O'Donnell - Lylat System: Sargasso Hideout

Metroid:
Samus Aran/Zero Suit Samus - Tallon IV: Phendrana Drifts
Ridley - Aether: Hydrodynamo Station

Kirby:
Kirby - Dreamland: Mad Machine (K:CC)
Meta Knight - Dreamland: Halberd
King Dedede - Dreamland: Dedede's Castle

Pokémon:
Pikachu - Kanto: Lavender Town
Jigglypuff - Johto: Goldenrod City
Blaziken - Hoenn: Pacifidlog Town
Gardevoir - Shinou: ???

Donkey Kong:
Donkey Kong - Kongo Jungle: Jungle Japes
Diddy Kong - Kongo Jungle: some waterfally cavey area
King K. Rool - I dunno. I don't play DK games much either.

F-Zero:
Captain Falcon - F-Zero Grand Prix: Mute City
Samurai Goroh - F-Zero Grand Prix: Silence

Yoshi:
Yoshi - Yoshi's Island: Donut Plains
Kamek - Yoshi's Island: Dark Island

Wario:
Wario - WarioLand: Kitchen Island
Captain Syrup - WarioLand: Black Sugar Pirates' Ship
Mona - WarioLand: WarioWare Factory

Fire Emblem:
Like I said, I don't really play this series.

Earthbound:
Same here.

Other:
Ice Climbers - "Battlefield"
Mr. Game & Watch - "Final Destination"
Pit - Angel Land: ???
Solid Snake - ??? It looks like he's got a level of his own anyway...
Rockman/Megaman - Mega City: Cutman's Stage
Sonic the Hedgehog - Green Hill Zone: Act 1

Retro:
SSB - Hyrule: Hyrule Castle
SSB - Kanto: Saffron City
SSB - Planet Zebes: Brinstar
SSBM - Game & Watch: Flat Zone
SSBM - F-Zero Grand Prix: Big Blue
SSBM - Kongo Jungle: Kongo Jungle

It's worth noting that, in my mind, all the Star Fox levels are based on land instead of on the friggin' Great Fox, which wasn't fun in SSB and remained not fun in SSBM. Same general idea for the Pokémon stages--they take place in actual places from the Pokémon games, rather than making some crap up.

[iggyk]

All characters returning with the exeption of Pichu(Poor Pichu), Doc, Roy, Y. Link and Sheik.
I'd love for characters like Kamek and the Koopalings to be in(not lame*** Bowser JR, the Koopalings), but they're about as likelt asPetey Pirahna, so here's a guss of how the roster might be

SUPER MARIO
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad
Bowser JR(only because he's likely)
Geno

ZELDA
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Skull Kid w/ Majora's Mask

POKEMON
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Deoxys
Lukario

DONKEY KONG
DK
Diddy

KIRBY
Kirby
Metaknight'
King Dedede

METROID
Samus/Zamus
Ridley

STARFOX
Fox
Falco or Krystal

YOSHI
Yoshi

EARTHBOUND
Ness
Lucas or Claus

F-ZERO
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

FIRE EMBLEM
Marth
Ike or Sigurd

WARIO
Wario

OTHER
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Captain Olimar
Balloon Fighter
Pit
Stafy
Isaac or Sami or Tom Nook

THIRD PARTY
Snake
Sonic
Megaman
Geno...again

Which leaves us with 46, that's close enough.

[Smashchu]

No Tingle make me cry

[Johans Nidorino]

About Gardevoir, measures would be needed to learn how much popular is it compared to Deoxys, although it's always possible that fans simply didn't think hard about Pokémon when writing to Sakurai. And who selects characters for the final version of the game? Is it Sakurai or the creators listed in the credits? No matter what, look at the characters from other series. They don't select unimportant characters from each franchise.

Plusle & Minun isn't a random pick. These days, you see Plusle & Minun (instead of Pichu) along with Pikachu. They're taller than Pichu, they don't hurt themselves in any Pokédex description, and an Ice Climbers-like tag team is a nice way to map the Double Battle concept introduced in Pokémon's third generation of games.

But hey, this is supposed to be a list that we would like to see, so don't take this as an argument; just as an informing thought.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Geno?! Geno?! GENO?!

He was in one f***ing game - 10 years ago. And don't try to play the Ice Climbers card here, since Ice Climbers were heroes of their own franchise that have an interesting gimmick for Smash Gameplay, whereas Geno is one of, what, 5 team members in one of the 80 gajillion Mario games that are out. If he was ever gonna get revived, Mario Hoops was his best chance. He will NOT appear in SSBB, and if he does I will send $5 out to everyone who posted in this thread.

Jigglypuff has to stay. So does Mewtwo. Hell no to Gardevior - if Krystal is only in there for furry hentai lovers, then Gardevior would be only in for hentai purposes as well. Seriously, if you want to appeal to the Japanese (and western people who act Japanese) fetish market, use one of the Famicom Detective Club schoolgirls. Schoolgirls > foxes and alien looking things.

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dancesinunderwear said:

Geno?! Geno?! GENO?!

He was in one f***ing game - 10 years ago. And don't try to play the Ice Climbers card here, since Ice Climbers were heroes of their own franchise that have an interesting gimmick for Smash Gameplay, whereas Geno is one of, what, 5 team members in one of the 80 gajillion Mario games that are out. If he was ever gonna get revived, Mario Hoops was his best chance. He will NOT appear in SSBB, and if he does I will send $5 out to everyone who posted in this thread.

Jigglypuff has to stay. So does Mewtwo. Hell no to Gardevior - if Krystal is only in there for furry hentai lovers, then Gardevior would be only in for hentai purposes as well. Seriously, if you want to appeal to the Japanese (and western people who act Japanese) fetish market, use one of the Famicom Detective Club schoolgirls. Schoolgirls > foxes and alien looking things.

Believe it or not Geno has a very solid chance of getting in. He was tied with Diddy Kong and a handful of others for the most requested characters in the Toukouken, and Sakurai started asking questions about him--what he's like and all that--and when Sakurai starts asking questions about characters, it means that he's interested in them. He also did the same for Krystal, so the chances that the two of them are getting in are a lot higher, than, say, Japanese Nintendo Schoolgirl Adventures girls.

As for the whole fetish thing, I don't recall SSBB being about serving fetishists so much as providing gamers with an enjoyable experience. Sakurai isn't that much of a deviant.

[Dances in Undergarments]

But Gardevior is only popular (or at least the majority of its popularity) because he/she resembles a women and crazy fanboys love their hentai.

And does asking questions mean he's interested, or that he's thinking "I have no idea who this character is, and, unless you can convince me otherwise, they aren't getting near Smash Bros."

I also happen to think, perhaps controversely, that the two Starfox characters already in already more than fills their necessary quota of character. Fox and Falco (de-cloned) can stay, but thats all thats needed for Starfox.

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dancesinunderwear said:

But Gardevior is only popular (or at least the majority of its popularity) because he/she resembles a women and crazy fanboys love their hentai.

And does asking questions mean he's interested, or that he's thinking "I have no idea who this character is, and, unless you can convince me otherwise, they aren't getting near Smash Bros."

I also happen to think, perhaps controversely, that the two Starfox characters already in already more than fills their necessary quota of character. Fox and Falco (de-cloned) can stay, but thats all thats needed for Starfox.

I'm not going to argue with you about Gardevoir for three reasons: 1// you're right in part, but there are other people who like it for statistical reasons 2// I have no idea what those statistics are and 3// I honestly don't have the energy for it. I don't care for Gardevoir that much. I like Ralts better cuz it's adorable, but Ralts just happens to evolve into Gardevoir. I'm just going by the Toukouken and some educated guessing. Like I said, speculation.

Him asking questions is less "prove why I should have THIS one here when I could put in, say, Little Mac instead" and more "Hey! I've never heard of this character, but they're obviously quite popular. Maybe if I learn more about them, I can see if they'd make interesting characters that would increase the fun factor my game can provide."

Fair enough on the Star Fox thing. I'm just a fan of the series and I feel that a little expansion for it wouldn't hurt. Krystal and Wolf just fit a bill that needs filling--more female and rival/villainous combatants . If we're going to get a skin-tight suit Samus, we should at least have an entirely new female character. And while I like Bowser, Ganon and Mewtwo, (and now Wario and kind of Meta Knight), there's just too many good guys. I'm not saying there should be a complete balance, but the scale is completely off-kilter right now. XD

[Johans Nidorino]

A friend of mine used to argue that Sonic would be an impossible idea just because Sakurai didn't mention him after the Toukouken thing. His logic was wrong because Sakurai didn't have the obligation to mention them all. A few weeks ago, some news popped up saying that Miyamoto does like the idea of having Sonic in SSBB; it all depends on Sega now because Nintendo seems to have its doors open to other third-party characters than Solid Snake. Likewise, I don't think he has the obligation of including all the ones he mentioned there (though it would be a good factor to decide between a pair of characters that are competing to make it to the game).

I wouldn't mind having a total of 3 or 4 Star Fox characters in SSBB, considering an approximate total of 40 characters in the whole roster.

[Dances in Undergarments]

Fair enough about Gardevior, and I'm sure there arep lenty of people that like it in the Pokemon metagame or whatever, but I just can't see an obscure Pokemon that a whole bunch of people haven't heard of replacing Mewtwo of all Pokemon.

I also should mention that, aside from making a couple of changes, I quite like iggyk's list.

[Saim]

Actually I've changed my mind.

Jigglypuff isn't going anywhere.

But Roy is. He was an ad for FE6, and there are better characters to fill his place, like Ike and Sothe.

He has the best chance of any of the characters I mentioned (other than Jiggly, but I mentioned that earlier), but he does still have a good chance.

Anyway, most really WONT stay with the same main in SSBB, the characters change so much as a clone would be different, so not everyone who liked Roy in SSBM will play as him in SSBB.

[Fryguy64]

Well, Kirby was awesome in SSB, but he sucked in SSBM (all of his speed and skill seemed to be transferred to Jigglypuff). So it's entirely possible that returning characters will be changed for the worse or for the better - perhaps to balance the game and give underused characters a better shot (this also happens in Pokemon a lot).

Gardevoir seems to be popular BECAUSE it's the final evolution of Ralts. And Ralts is popular because he looks like Jeff from Earthbound. So why not skip the middleman and just put Jeff in there? ;D

But yeah, I'm at the stage now where I just want a LITTLE more information before I continue with my speculation.

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admin said:

Gardevoir seems to be popular BECAUSE it's the final evolution of Ralts. And Ralts is popular because he looks like Jeff from Earthbound. So why not skip the middleman and just put Jeff in there? ;D

But yeah, I'm at the stage now where I just want a LITTLE more information before I continue with my speculation.

I wouldn't mind trading Gardevoir for Jeff. I hear he was a very interesting Earthbound character (having never played the game myself, a problem I do intend to rectify with the Virtual Console) and because he doesn't use PSI or PK moves like the others he'd be along a much different vein.

Any information would be nice, even if they're just unveiling one new character. It's almost like SSBB is leaving us in a drought and new info is a drizzle to keep us hydrated.

By the way--hi Fry! I joined your forum like you asked :D

[Fryguy64]

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