Japanese only characters in Brawl: Your thoughts

[Smashchu]

thores said:

fliptroopa said:

And I quote:

"The youth with the psychic powers has appeared—it’s Lucas! He makes his anticipated debut from the Japan-only release MOTHER 3."

"It’s the devil from the NES game, Devil World! This particular game was never released in the United States, actually."

"#171-180: In this update, Sakurai basically just says that since Smash Bros is popular throughout the world, he can't just use characters that are only popular in Japan. But then he brings up that it worked for the Fire Emblem characters."

"#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited""

"Sakurai says that if there is ever another Nazo no Murasamejou game with Takamaru, he would probably be put into Smash."

Oh my god, did you even read my post? "This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen". And yet you post all the exceptions to the rule revealed as if it's a valid counterargument! I am aware of them! What you seem to be unaware of is that they are just that, exceptions. The game will include JP-only content. But Sakurai himself said that it won't include a lot of it. Sheesh.

Plus, out of those things you posted, only ONE of them has been an example of bonafide JP-only content in the actual game. With the new X music, we now have two. Two updates out of 171 doesn't exactly prove your point fantastically.

But you also jumped on him for only asking for one character. He didn't claimto want a whole wheel barrow of them. He said that the character shouldn't be added just because of being Japan-only, and then you jump on him for wanting one character.

But maybe you forgot to read his post. Look at the the first and last quote (and maybe the 2nd to last).

parrothead1983 said:

I believe that SSBB will become a fighting game that will show and tell gamers around the world about several parts of Nintendo's history, including those that are Japan-Only. Did anyone know that Nintendo used to be a Japan-Only company? They did, until Minoru Arakawa founded Nintendo of America and became the first president there.

But it shouldn't feel like that to the gamer. The player should feel comfortable with the game. If he knows some characters (like Diddy and PT) and then not know a few (Pit and Lucas) the game will feel confortable. But throw in a bunch of characters just for the sake of showing them off and history, and people will be frustrated. "So why are DeMille and Strafy in this game but not Ridley?"

This just all goes back to the quote. The characters need to be added because they make sence, and are good fighters, but characters shouldn't be added just to show case them.

One problem with Starfy and DeMillie is they are cutesy looking (or gay to some). But Takamaru is a lot more "bad ass" then the other two. Bringing him over wouldn't be a problem becuase, like Marth and Roy, he's "cool". He's an e'ffing samurai. But putting the others over and they'll be meet with scorn by American gamers. I thjink this is a good reason to add Takamaru rather then the others, not to mention the numerous other reasons mentioned before.

I don't think this game should be flooded by obscured characters. Yes, Smash Bros is a game about Nintendo's history, but what do you think trophies are for. It wont end well by bringing character in becuase they are obscured so people can learn about a character they'll never play as.

[Sqrt2]

The only thing I've got against Takamuru in Brawl (even as an AT) is that we've already got several 'sword guys' in already. We've got Link, ZSS (sort of), Ike and (possibly) Zelda. As for AT's, we've got Lyn and that Sin and Punishment guy for starters.

Also, seeing as Marth (and/or Roy, Young Link) may return, I don't want to see Brawl turn into Super Smash Bros: Swordsmen Edition.

[Dances in Undergarments]

[insert Smash Bros has too many fist fighters counter argument here]

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I don't think the swordsman thing holds water at this point. After all, how many playable characters fight predominantly with their fists and feet?

Swordsmen: Link, Marth, Young Link, Roy, Pit, Meta Knight, Ike

Fisticuffs: Mario, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Fox, Captain Falcon, Donkey Kong, Bowser, Falco, Ganondorf, Sonic, Diddy...you see my point.

Not to mention other fighting styles have evolved since the first SSB; Ness, Mewtwo and Lucas all utilize psychic powers, Ice Climbers and Dedede use mallets, Samus and Snake use ordinance...it's just that the sword is more often used in Nintendo games. It's not that the weapon is favored and thus, more swordsman get in--it's that the character is cool, and the sword just happens to be a part of that character. Lords traditionally use swords in Fire Emblem, Link has been about swords since the beginning, and Meta Knight is an honorable warrior type. *shrug*

[Dances in Undergarments]

Yeah, thats the one. Hahaha beat you to it. Kinda.

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Yeah. I'm at work, so it actually took me three different sittings to get that whole post done. XD;

[thores]

smashchu2 said:

thores said:

Oh my god, did you even read my post? "This obviously doesn't mean there will be zero Japan only content, as we've already seen". And yet you post all the exceptions to the rule revealed as if it's a valid counterargument! I am aware of them! What you seem to be unaware of is that they are just that, exceptions. The game will include JP-only content. But Sakurai himself said that it won't include a lot of it. Sheesh.

Plus, out of those things you posted, only ONE of them has been an example of bonafide JP-only content in the actual game. With the new X music, we now have two. Two updates out of 171 doesn't exactly prove your point fantastically.

But you also jumped on him for only asking for one character. He didn't claimto want a whole wheel barrow of them. He said that the character shouldn't be added just because of being Japan-only, and then you jump on him for wanting one character.

When in my post did I even mention Takamaru? I was disputing his argument, not his "wanting one character".

[Flip]

The point is, guys, that we all should just sit down and wait this out together. The game ain't coming any faster with us arguing about Japan-only and US-only content.

[rukifellth]

But it's always fun to talk while waiting!

[Smashchu]

thores said:

smashchu2 said:

But you also jumped on him for only asking for one character. He didn't claimto want a whole wheel barrow of them. He said that the character shouldn't be added just because of being Japan-only, and then you jump on him for wanting one character.

When in my post did I even mention Takamaru? I was disputing his argument, not his "wanting one character".

I didn't say you said anything about Takamaru. I said that all Flip said was he thought Takamaru had a chance, and then you said he's cutting back on Japanese only stuff. Flip quotes, you claim he didn't read post, then I said something. In fact, you and Flip were probably on the same side of the argument.

I really only intervened because I thought you were too quick to unleash the fucking fury.

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rukifellth said:

But it's always fun to talk while waiting!

This topic has gone round and round and round for the past five or six pages. I can officially say the subject of Japan-only content is one I and certainly others no longer enjoy discussing.

So, yeah. Let's give this one a rest, guys.

[TV Eye]

sgtmajorkururu said:

rukifellth said:

But it's always fun to talk while waiting!

This topic has gone round and round and round for the past five or six pages. I can officially say the subject of Japan-only content is one I and certainly others no longer enjoy discussing.

So, yeah. Let's give this one a rest, guys.

Amen and goodnight.

[thores]

smashchu2 said:

thores said:

When in my post did I even mention Takamaru? I was disputing his argument, not his "wanting one character".

I didn't say you said anything about Takamaru. I said that all Flip said was he thought Takamaru had a chance, and then you said he's cutting back on Japanese only stuff. Flip quotes, you claim he didn't read post, then I said something. In fact, you and Flip were probably on the same side of the argument.

I really only intervened because I thought you were too quick to unleash the wizzleing fury.

This conversation would have been over already! Your interventing is only making me... ANGRIEERRR!

RAAAR THORES SMAAASH

[parrothead]

All of the Japan-only Nintendo titles represented in SSBB at this time are MOTHER 3/GBA EarthBound and X (Ekkusu). Other Nintendo titles that I believe are most likely at being represented in SSBB are:

* Shin Onigashima (Because of it being the first and perhaps the most popular text adventure Nintendo title, as well as having Donbe & Hikari making cameo appearances in two Nintendo titles and a Donbe request being posted in Sakurai's SSBB poll)
* Nazo no Murasame-jo (Because of it being popular in Japan and because of three Takamaru requests being mentioned in the poll three times.)
* Densetsu no Stafy series (Because of the series being so popular in Japan)
* Tomato Adventure (Because of two DeMille requests in the poll with many words. Not just like "I would like to see DeMille in SSBB" without telling why he deserves to enter)
* Joy Mech Fight (Because of the NES title being Nintendo's first modern 2D fighter, as well as having two Sukapon/Skapon requests mentioned in the poll. Also, Joy Mech Fight's popularity grew during the retrogaming boom in the late 1990s.)

AND

* For the Frog the Bell Tolls (Because of its gameplay and plot being positively received by fans and critics alike, making it popular. Also, due to several Nintendo Sound Collection albums released to members of Club Nintendo of Japan, which contain music from the game itself. The Tunnel Scene music from X was also included in one of the albums.)

Any title released in only two regions should be called "partially worldwide titles" (e.g. StarTropics, Kuru Kuru Kururin, Devil World, Doshin the Giant, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, MOTHER 2/SNES EarthBound, etc.).

Any title released in three or more regions are worldwide titles.

[Manspeed]

Enough Parrothead. We get it. You're a Japanophile and want nothing else. Now stop boring us to death with your monotone posting style and giant "ANDs" stuck 2/3 of the way through.