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Post by Smashchu on Dec 8, 2007 13:25:37 GMT -5
Now Parothead, when you say Starfy is popular, it's probably not as true as you think. I found the sales on VGchartz and the first game only sold about 400k, with the rest going down in sales. It is probably not as popular as you make it out to be. It sold a bit more then Golden Sun, and this was only the Japanese sales. The 3rd game sold about 200k, less then Mother 3. But why do you say it is so popular? Also, DeMille won't be playable. I couldn't find sales for Tomato Adventure so I assume it sold a messily 100k (VGchartz Japan page sucks, and I can't see the last few games). Not to mentioned what I said earlier that they would not bode well to the American audience. They are way to cutesy for our liking. Chances are, if they were in the game, they would be met with scorn and the two titles would never come to the West. Just becuase they are in Smash doesn't mean the games will come here (the US). Sales Here |
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Post by kirbychu on Dec 8, 2007 17:42:33 GMT -5
Reread my post, plz. I'm well aware of that. I did. ..... *sigh* Very well, I'll restate it for you. Capcom, a company which is not Nintendo, localised Phoenix Wright, a game that is not owned by Nintendo, even though it was originally for the GBA, which was dying out, so they ported to the DS and it has seen much success. If Capcom did it, Nintendo could very easily also do it. |
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Post by parrothead on Dec 8, 2007 18:32:06 GMT -5
Now Parothead, when you say Starfy is popular, it's probably not as true as you think. I found the sales on VGchartz and the first game only sold about 400k, with the rest going down in sales. It is probably not as popular as you make it out to be. It sold a bit more then Golden Sun, and this was only the Japanese sales. The 3rd game sold about 200k, less then Mother 3. But why do you say it is so popular? Also, DeMille won't be playable. I couldn't find sales for Tomato Adventure so I assume it sold a messily 100k (VGchartz Japan page sucks, and I can't see the last few games). Not to mentioned what I said earlier that they would not bode well to the American audience. They are way to cutesy for our liking. Chances are, if they were in the game, they would be met with scorn and the two titles would never come to the West. Just becuase they are in Smash doesn't mean the games will come here (the US). Sales HereI don't trust VG Chartz. Why? Because that website is bullcrap. Back in the day VGchartz was more reliable as it simply copy-pasted numbers from real sources, but now they come up with their own weekly numbers with no actual sources. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 8, 2007 19:51:45 GMT -5
Now Parothead, when you say Starfy is popular, it's probably not as true as you think. I found the sales on VGchartz and the first game only sold about 400k, with the rest going down in sales. It is probably not as popular as you make it out to be. It sold a bit more then Golden Sun, and this was only the Japanese sales. The 3rd game sold about 200k, less then Mother 3. But why do you say it is so popular? Also, DeMille won't be playable. I couldn't find sales for Tomato Adventure so I assume it sold a messily 100k (VGchartz Japan page sucks, and I can't see the last few games). Not to mentioned what I said earlier that they would not bode well to the American audience. They are way to cutesy for our liking. Chances are, if they were in the game, they would be met with scorn and the two titles would never come to the West. Just becuase they are in Smash doesn't mean the games will come here (the US). Sales HereI don't trust VG Chartz. Why? Because that website is bullcrap. Back in the day VGchartz was more reliable as it simply copy-pasted numbers from real sources, but now they come up with their own weekly numbers with no actual sources. Ummm, you do know they get there numbers from the NPD and other firms correct? They only estimate when there is no source, in which case, it will chance when numbers become available. But you can't say the source is bad without providing your own to prove it's bad, or at least have something to stand on. Regardless, even if VGchartz was not reliable, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden Legend of Starfy sold over 9000million units in Japan. Chances are that the game didn't sell amazingly to begin with. Sure, good for one region, but compared with other Nintendo game it's not that amazing. Part of the reason NoA and NoE are neglecting to bring it here is due to...... 1)It's cutesy nature 2)Weaker sales in Japan. I think Starfy is probably some what popular in Japan as it has done well for one region, but nothing amazing. So I don't think it's a popular as you make it out to be. Same thing goes for DeMille, but without the good sales. |
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Post by parrothead on Dec 9, 2007 3:28:32 GMT -5
I don't trust VG Chartz. Why? Because that website is bullcrap. Back in the day VGchartz was more reliable as it simply copy-pasted numbers from real sources, but now they come up with their own weekly numbers with no actual sources. Ummm, you do know they get there numbers from the NPD and other firms correct? They only estimate when there is no source, in which case, it will chance when numbers become available. But you can't say the source is bad without providing your own to prove it's bad, or at least have something to stand on. Regardless, even if VGchartz was not reliable, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden Legend of Starfy sold over 9000million units in Japan. Chances are that the game didn't sell amazingly to begin with. Sure, good for one region, but compared with other Nintendo game it's not that amazing. Part of the reason NoA and NoE are neglecting to bring it here is due to...... 1)It's cutesy nature 2)Weaker sales in Japan. I think Starfy is probably some what popular in Japan as it has done well for one region, but nothing amazing. So I don't think it's a popular as you make it out to be. Same thing goes for DeMille, but without the good sales. Recently, NPD won't give VGChartz any sales info anymore. Read this. The sale charts for the Densetsu no Stafy titles haven't been updated with new info much, because not many people outside of Japan care about Japan-only video game sales. Also, they might be old news. I don't mean the number of Stafy titles sold haven't gone up much. The same thing happens to most sequels of other video game franchises. Just because later titles in the series didn't sell as well as the earlier ones, doesn't mean they didn't succeed as well, because they were just warming up......for now. I doubt any video game would outsell Super Mario Bros. 1. And I don't mean Stafy is way more popular than Metroid or Pokemon. Stafy is still very popular, not "OMG Kirby!" nor "OMG Fire Emblem!" popular. I remember those posts. One goes on about the Gimmicks, and the other about what a fun game it was. I'll find that old Smashboards post where I attempted to read what they were saying (and hilarity ensues!) Also, Custom Robo makes some good Assists. As does *dun dun dun* Pikmin. Swarming your foe with mini-Pikmin would be hilarious in battle. EDIT: The TopicIt's somewhere around page 20 or something. I'll dig later. The link is broken. |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 9, 2007 13:52:55 GMT -5
Ummm, you do know they get there numbers from the NPD and other firms correct? They only estimate when there is no source, in which case, it will chance when numbers become available. But you can't say the source is bad without providing your own to prove it's bad, or at least have something to stand on. Regardless, even if VGchartz was not reliable, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden Legend of Starfy sold over 9000million units in Japan. Chances are that the game didn't sell amazingly to begin with. Sure, good for one region, but compared with other Nintendo game it's not that amazing. Part of the reason NoA and NoE are neglecting to bring it here is due to...... 1)It's cutesy nature 2)Weaker sales in Japan. I think Starfy is probably some what popular in Japan as it has done well for one region, but nothing amazing. So I don't think it's a popular as you make it out to be. Same thing goes for DeMille, but without the good sales. Recently, NPD won't give VGChartz any sales info anymore. Read this. 1)You read that wrong. NPD doesn't give sales in General, and was not targeted at VGchartz. It's not that they couldn't get them, but no one could 2)They now give out the numbers like normal. It's not the fact that sales went down, but that sales weren't that good to begin with. 400K is nice, but not amazingly popular. In fact, to drive the point home, look at this. Starfy salesSales for DS games Published by NintendoThe good majority of those sales were extremely high, yet Starfy sits at 100k. Pretty poor for a DS game. Well, that is the impression that I get. You talk a lot about that Starfy is so likely becuase he is so popular. That's why I questioned it and looked up the sales. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 10, 2007 5:33:55 GMT -5
Starfy is popular. He might not be Mario popular or Link popular, but he thrashes a hell of a lot of other franchises getting Brawl representation. I think that's the crux of it.
Plus, with 4 games and a spinoff, not to mention numerous international cameos, he's got a pretty good shot.
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Post by Arcadenik on Dec 10, 2007 19:32:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm getting pretty sick of it. All your posts are exactly the same and is starting to make me want to see Japan only characters less and less. See... this is exactly why I didn't want Sonic in Brawl back then. Too many Nsiders asking for Sonic and making countless Sonic threads in the Smash board. I got sick of Sonic that I didn't want to see him in Brawl. Needless to say I got very upset when Sonic was confirmed to be in Brawl. But now that the people seem to stop spamming the boards about Sonic less and less, I am starting to like Sonic more and more that I even bought Sonic Adventure DX and Sonic Mega Collection. I still don't care for the legendary "Mario vs. Sonic" fight, though. Sorry for getting off topic but your post kinda spoke to me.  |
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Post by Smashchu on Dec 10, 2007 21:28:44 GMT -5
Starfy is popular. He might not be Mario popular or Link popular, but he thrashes a hell of a lot of other franchises getting Brawl representation. I think that's the crux of it. Plus, with 4 games and a spinoff, not to mention numerous international cameos, he's got a pretty good shot. I don't know. I just think too many people give Stary more credit then he (or it I guess) deserves. He has the games, but none of them did OGM amazing. First two did well, then the franchise died. I'd also think they would have brought it here a long time ago, especially with the demographic of the GBA and DS would like the game. |
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Post by The Qu on Dec 10, 2007 21:55:49 GMT -5
Stafy had a spin off? What was that?
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Post by Fryguy64 on Dec 11, 2007 6:00:34 GMT -5
Oh wait. I might be thinking of Hamtaro. That lovable little hamster permeates my every thought. ;D
Still... two cameos!
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Post by parrothead on Dec 11, 2007 16:00:29 GMT -5
There is also a Stafy song in the Japanese version of Donkey Konga 1.
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Post by rukifellth on Dec 14, 2007 16:36:08 GMT -5
Well, with Stafy's involvement in SSBB, it is assured that there are only 3 Japanese only characters that are populair: Takamaru, Demille and Skapon (as Parrothead said)
As such, we can most likely consider Skapon busted considering Sakurai saying that he dislikes him... alot. (Sorry fans...)
So Takamaru and Demille are the most likely now. I'll be playing they're original games now (Or rather Takamaru's) to see if I can find fitting abilities for them...
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Post by Manspeed on Dec 14, 2007 19:30:55 GMT -5
Sakurai never actually said he disliked Sucker Puncher, he just said not to expect to see him. Why he said that is anyone's guess. I think they just had a problem with the invisible limbs.
I'll bet that if they did work something out, DeMille and Sooker Poncher will end up being Assists while Takamaru gets the playable spot.
Now all that's left is to decide the fate of our non-Japan characters, Mike and Stevenson...
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Post by parrothead on Dec 14, 2007 22:01:26 GMT -5
Claus (MOTHER 3/GBA EarthBound)Alt. costume for Lucas - just you watch! Also, anyone who has played through the game or who knows the story will know WHY this is such a ridiculous idea. I posted your comment I quoted about Claus in this thread at SmashBoards, so read their replies about it. Vesperview, an annoying person, thought you were "too stupid to even see beyond worldwide characters." I don't, because you are a Nintendo expert. |
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