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Post by Captain Walrus on Nov 25, 2007 19:20:34 GMT -5
Here's my problem with this argument, which I admit, is a good one. I could use pretty much the exact same argument for Paper Mario. Since Mario 64, Mario split into two directions: traditional Mario and Paper Mario. Excluding all the party and Kart games, there have been more Paper Mario games than traditional Mario games on the home consoles since Mario 64! Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, and Super Paper Mario versus Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. Paper Mario is a brand new artistic design and a symbol of a different direction that the Mario franchise is going! Not having Paper Mario would be denying the current state of the Mario franchise. Plus, he doesn't have to be a clone. He has enough new moves from the Paper Mario games. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Nov 25, 2007 19:53:43 GMT -5
I actually really like the idea of having a playable Paper Mario. Not only does it do the job of representing the Paper Mario direction the series has taken, but a light-as-paper character would be great.
The main difference between Link vs Young Link and Mario vs Paper Mario though is that you had to ignore the spinoffs for it to work in Paper Mario's favour... but why? With Link, we don't see him in games often. So more than half the time we see him, we've seen him as Young Link. But with the Mario series, we see him in the traditional games, the karts, the parties, the sports, etc, etc as 'regular' Mario, and only a minority of times as Paper Mario.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2007 20:12:32 GMT -5
Not to mention that Paper Mario is just Mario with a different art style. Pirate Link and Adult Link are two different art styles of Link, but are also two entirely separate entities that share the same destiny.
I agree though, Paper Mario? Great idea for a character. It just doesn't have the same plausibility.
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Post by TV Eye on Nov 25, 2007 21:42:07 GMT -5
That doesn't lack numerical meaning, but it's more like Dr. Mario = Young Link if you must compare the Mario sub-roster to the Zelda sub-roster. When I typed that, I meant, Y Link is like Luigi in that Luigi can be altered with different moves in Brawl (Poltergust) just like Y Link. |
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Post by Smashchu on Nov 25, 2007 23:49:44 GMT -5
Not to mention that Paper Mario is just Mario with a different art style. Pirate Link and Adult Link are two different art styles of Link, but are also two entirely separate entities that share the same destiny.
I agree though, Paper Mario? Great idea for a character. It just doesn't have the same plausibility.  This is getting out of hand, and you guys are starting to scare me. This is about a foot away from Nsiders. In responce to the big post, you have a point Tei. The WW style games should have some representation. BUT, that doesn't mean character. One thing many people have trouble with is feeling everything has to have a character. Let's look at AC and assume there won't be an AC character (if that happens, could go either way). Many of us assumed it was just a course, as well as some Assist and items. And AC is a big franchise. It rightfully deserves a character. But alas, there are few notable characters and none would offer them self to a moveset quickly. The WW games don't need a character just becuase they exist, and it's getting to the point where people are saying and believing it on the grounds they said it. A WW course is a perfect idea. It would not only be fun but give use some Cel shaded glory. In a sain world it is a perfect idea. But too many people think that just becuase they decided to have a different design that it warrants a character. Talking about the quoted comment, Paper Mario and WW Link are the same character. They are a character that is identical to another, but looks different. It doesn't matter that WW Link is suppose to be different then TP Link even though every Link (unless the game is a direct sequel) is Link. But what it comes down to is that it doesn't warrant a character. We don't absolutely, positivity have to have WW Link. Even if Y. Link existed before. At the end of the day, your putting in another Link, and calling it a brand new character, when we might as well go grab one of the throw away Zelda characters. I agreed with the Link/Zelda/Ganondorf argument becuase there aren't any characters after that that are important enough to deserve a spot beyond Tingle. It's the same reason for some saying they should stop at Samus. At least Ridley has some character. But what scares me the most is Tei's comment. It's really close to Nsider thinking. But, then again, this is an Nsider character. Back after the trailer was shown, they showed off them poll. Back then, WW Link (or cat-eye Link) was a joke character, and many of us assumed it was just a comment Sakurai thought was interesting. If you didn't know, Superman was also on the poll. But along came the first big rumor. It said that IC, Game&Watch and Y. Link were out to be replaced by Ridley, Bowser Jr. and Y. Link was to become WW Link. Then, Nsiders got a hold of it and spread the idea around the internet like an infectious desiease. Looking between Sept. 06 and now, the people who think the character is likely have gone up. It is really just a character some people latched onto and though it was a good idea, then went from that to thinking it was actually going to happen. Of course, it's not wanting the character that scares me. Like I've said before, it could be a really fun character. But it's this thinking. It seems that the rashional is not of that of our own. This forum, I always felt, had a good sense of what was going to happen, and could. Heck, few of us were surprised by Lucas, or that he replaced Ness. But I'm probably over exaggerating. It's just that comment as vaguely familiar of those seen on Nsiders. |
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Post by parrothead on Nov 26, 2007 0:01:57 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of this fan-made MOTHER 2/SNES EarthBound comic by Worker & Parasite, because it goes from one topic to another: ComicBound - Thunder&Storm Again *sigh* Let's don't fill this thread up with some posts about others things than Saki Amamiya. |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Nov 26, 2007 0:16:09 GMT -5
I just think Young Link should be considered after the other series get their fair share. Specifically the ones that have been in previous Smash titles, it's unfair not to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2007 0:37:28 GMT -5
Not to mention that Paper Mario is just Mario with a different art style. Pirate Link and Adult Link are two different art styles of Link, but are also two entirely separate entities that share the same destiny.
I agree though, Paper Mario? Great idea for a character. It just doesn't have the same plausibility. This is getting out of hand, and you guys are starting to scare me. This is about a foot away from Nsiders. [...] But what scares me the most is Tei's comment. It's really close to Nsider thinking.
Break it down and WW Link is a different person from TP Link entirely. But Paper Mario is still Mario. There's only one Mario, there are multiple Links. Sorry to startle you with my controversial thought methods, but it's true.*sigh* Let's don't fill this thread up with some posts about others things than Saki Amamiya.
If I wanted to badly enough, I could continue this fascinating topic with Smashchu and anyone else who wants to talk about it over PM or AIM, but I honestly don't care that much about it. It's fun to talk about. I'm sorry I got your knickers all abunch. From now on whenever I feel like debating...I'll take it to a different board on this forum. Heaven forbid we debate here at the NinDB! No, from now on I'll just state my opinion, and if someone says something that I disagree with, I'll sit idly by with my thumb up my ass instead of taking the chance of making interesting conversation out of it.
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Nov 26, 2007 2:30:22 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that while Wind Waker Link is Link in a different timeline and Paper Mario is a alternate story book Mario from a different paperbook universe, people think Wind Waker Link somehow has more chance then Paper Mario. And only because Wind Waker Link supposed to be a different Link, unlike Paper Mario from the Paper universe. It's kinda like throwing in Captain Falcon and Rick Wheeler as a 'my-suit-is-too-big' second Captain Falcon because hey it's not Captain Falcon and games were based on that guy so wahwahwahwahwah
I hope neither or both of them get in, but in the end it doesn't matter shit because Sakurai throws in whoever the hell he wants and when the roster shows up after the Japanese release and WWLink/Paper Mario is in it people will look at it funny, maybe complain, but still buy the game on the day of release and play the shit out of it.
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Nov 26, 2007 2:39:24 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that while Wind Waker Link is Link in a different timeline and Paper Mario is a alternate story book Mario from a different paperbook universe, people think Wind Waker Link somehow has more chance then Paper Mario. And only because Wind Waker Link supposed to be a different Link, unlike Paper Mario from the Paper universe. It's kinda like throwing in Captain Falcon and Rick Wheeler as a 'my-suit-is-too-big' second Captain Falcon because hey it's not Captain Falcon and games were based on that guy so wahwahwahwahwah Uh...Paper Mario isn't in a different universe. It just has a different art style. |
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Post by 8bitretroshit on Nov 26, 2007 2:46:13 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious that while Wind Waker Link is Link in a different timeline and Paper Mario is a alternate story book Mario from a different paperbook universe, people think Wind Waker Link somehow has more chance then Paper Mario. And only because Wind Waker Link supposed to be a different Link, unlike Paper Mario from the Paper universe. It's kinda like throwing in Captain Falcon and Rick Wheeler as a 'my-suit-is-too-big' second Captain Falcon because hey it's not Captain Falcon and games were based on that guy so wahwahwahwahwah Uh...Paper Mario isn't in a different universe. It just has a different art style. I have a hard time believing that, but you're right since I don't feel like argueing about this. |
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Nov 26, 2007 3:35:34 GMT -5
This is getting out of hand, and you guys are starting to scare me. This is about a foot away from Nsiders. Its only 'a foot away from Nsiders' because we are stuck in a wizzleing loop. The anti WW Link people say he shouldn't be in because we already have Link. The pro WW Link people say he should be in because he'd represent the new direction Zelda is taking. Blah de blah blah blah. Nobody is convincing anyone anything, and now we're all going nuts over nothing. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Nov 26, 2007 4:49:07 GMT -5
I'm glad I was away this weekend! ;D
Allow me to bring this discussion to a close, as it has bounced back and forth long enough. If clones return, and Young Link is back, then it's very likely he will be Wind Waker Link, but will largely keep Link's moveset. If clones are not returning, then Wind Waker Link's chances are about as good as Master Chief's.
No point having an argument when both sides are as ignorant of the truth as each other. Speculate, fo' sho'! Speculate till your sides split, your bladder bursts and your intestines roll out in a fleshy mess. But at this stage, not one of you should be arguing as if your point is more true than the other side's point. Because it ain't.
Also, I have a gun. ORDER WILL BE RESTORED!
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Post by TV Eye on Nov 26, 2007 8:06:06 GMT -5
Speculate till your sides split, your bladder bursts ...reminded me of Kung Pow... |
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Post by TrustTheFungus on Nov 27, 2007 2:41:00 GMT -5
Hmm...if Y. Link can't be in because he's the same person as Link, then Tingle can't be in. Tingle is obviously just a really old crazy Link who has gone around the Triforce of Time and realized he is his own father.
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