What should be in the next Smash bros.

[Smashchu]

May 25, 2008 17:36:22 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

May 25, 2008 16:09:50 GMT -5 Smashchu said:

You didn't have to respond to Sqrt in the first place, but you did, and you continue to reticule him. He wants a character. You don't. That's his opinion and yours but your in the wrong for calling people names for doing so.

Sorry to drag this on, but simply put, everyone is a fanboy for wanting the characters they want. Your a fanboy for talking about Smash Bros and your probably a Fanboy for a certain franchise. (or fangirls I guess). Opinion is opinion. Let him have his and you have yours and be done with it. You may say it's unlikely your you don't like it but leave the person alone.
P.S. Sorry if I'm being a bit of an ass lately though. Just want everyone to be nice. Or close.

*facepalm*

Dear God, what have I started?

This always happens when people talk about Dr. Mario. This is why I didn't want to. If I could, I'd damn him to hell for all the trouble he causes.

IListen, I'll shut up. You can go on preaching about how awesome Dr. Mario is, or whatever you were talking about. I didn't understand a single word.

The point was that you were teasting Sqrt. Sorry if what I said was unclear.

From the beggining. Sqrt says he wants Dr. mario. You then say "Oh for God's sakes. I hate having these discussions.". Note that nothing had to be said. He just wanted Dr. Mario. If left alone it would have been forgotten. Sqrt gets upset, and you say "Who's having a go at who? Just because you like Dr. Mario who is a completely useless character with only slightly minor differences to Mario is alright by me " implying that his choice is stupid and he is wrong (namely from the smiley). I say stop messing with him, and then you say "Whatever. I can have my opinions, and you can have your fanboy opinions." implying that, again, he's wrong for wanting the character.

I'm sorry I'm too preachy. I apologize if it was a miss understanding. But what you said could easily be miss interpreted. It seemed you were making fun of him for wanting Dr. Mario. There didn't have to be a discussion on this but you replied to his post, thus starting one. I understand that you don't wish to discuss characters, but what you said seemed to drag it on.

Simply put, be careful of what you say. In a topic like this, people will say lots of things they want. Not what you want. If you think Dr. Mario wont make a good character, fine, but keep it at that. Don't imply they are wrong, and don't single them out. Also, if you don't want to talk about something don't bring it up.

Sorry for the high horse. It just seemed you were coming off in a negative way. I'm sorry.

[TV Eye]

Okay, you repeated the conversation, which was pointless, but anyways...

All I said was I hate these conversations because they usually end up with retarded results. I hate Mario in Brawl. He has FLUDD and no tornado! Ima go cut myself! Dr. Mario had tornado! Why can't they bring him back! Fuck you Sakurai for taking out Dr. Mario and replacing him with awesome characters like Solid Snake, Wolf, Ike, Sonic, etc.

See? This kind of shit gets me angry. No one seems to give me any good enough reason to bring Dr. Mario back other than he wouldn't have FLUDD. Who's to say Sakurai would've given Dr. Mario the tornado anyway? He would've probably ended up with a FLUDD substitute, like a pill bottle that shoots medicine or something.

Until I hear a good enough reason to bring Dr. Mario back, I'll be dissing him as much as I please (and, no. I never insulted Sqrt. Not that it'd matter, we could've had an intelligent conversation going on about Brawl and everything good about it, instead of the bad.).

[Manspeed]

His Final Smash would be a giant jar full of viruses. I'm telling you!

[Smashchu]

May 25, 2008 18:24:52 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

Okay, you repeated the conversation, which was pointless, but anyways...

It was to add clarity. Trying to show you what went astray since you said you didn't see it (since you said you didn't see how)

All I said was I hate these conversations because they usually end up with retarded results. I hate Mario in Brawl. He has FLUDD and no tornado! Ima go cut myself! Dr. Mario had tornado! Why can't they bring him back! wizzle you Sakurai for taking out Dr. Mario and replacing him with awesome characters like Solid Snake, Wolf, Ike, Sonic, etc.

It's matter of opinion. To many, Dr. Mario is their awesome character. People wanted Roy and Mewtwo to come back. Why is Dr. Mario any less special. In a game like Smash Bros, you really get attached to the characters, since this is not jkust a normal fighting game but one with All-Star characters. It's the same as I said I didn't like Toon Link. He is something you and others liked, and it's partly becuase you liked his games, so the same be said for Duck Hunt Dog or Dr. Mario.

See? This kind of hobo gets me angry. No one seems to give me any good enough reason to bring Dr. Mario back other than he wouldn't have FLUDD. Who's to say Sakurai would've given Dr. Mario the tornado anyway? He would've probably ended up with a FLUDD substitute, like a pill bottle that shoots medicine or something.

Ok, I'll take the helm

But here's why he is special: Before Brawl, everyone wanted characters like Krystal, Ridley, Toon Link (or WW Link) Dedede. While many of them got in, others didn't. But overall, very few of them can't hold a candle to the Doc. Dr. Mario has appeared numerous titles though out the years and was one of the best selling NES games selling over 4 million copies, more then many characters can say about one game. His tide and true puzzle games have been loved by fans and stand the test to be able to rub elbows with Pyuo Pop, Tetris and the likes. In other words, he's been around the block.

But also, Dr. Mario isn't some new guys off the streets we want to put in Smash. He's a veteran. He's been in previous Smash games, all the more reason to put him back in. Now, I could say that they could make Dr. Mario a totally original characters, but look at the Brawl cast. Plenty of characters are clones of another. Heck, Ganondorf still has Captain Falcon's moves. That's not to say he'll be exactly like Mario. Falco, Toon Link, Ganondorf and the rest all have unique moves and attack properties. Dr. Mario wouldn't be exactly like Mario. He'd probably get some unique moves that take advantage of his megavitamins, not to mention a FS based off of Germ Buster. There is potential. But most of all, he's a good choice becuase he is an all star. He's a characters that's been there. He's recognizable. If you see him in the roster, toy can tell who he is. "One wow, that's Mario as a Doctor, for Dr Mario".Which is better then when most people see Lucas or Ike.

Until I hear a good enough reason to bring Dr. Mario back, I'll be dissing him as much as I please (and, no. I never insulted Sqrt. Not that it'd matter, we could've had an intelligent conversation going on about Brawl and everything good about it, instead of the bad.).

we could've had an intelligent conversation going on

I'll be dissing him as much as I please

Ok, so I think I'm being a jerk now, so I'll leave with this. The whole point was you were kind of singling out Sqrt. You may have said you weren't picking on him but you decided I'm "going to ridicule the character he likes", which is close enough, and make it seem like you were picking on him. But, it wasn't like you said "I don't like Dr. Mario. I don't think he'd make a good character". You said little sarcastic comments and called people fanboys. But, it's all how you put it. You didn't want to be mean, which is good, but since we can only speak though words it all comes down to how you say it.

Sorry to keep picking on you. I think I've said all I can say so I'll stop here. It's good to know you were trying to be good, but just be wary of how you put something (just do the opposite of what I do ).

[TV Eye]

May 26, 2008 11:42:45 GMT -5 Smashchu said:

It's matter of opinion. To many, Dr. Mario is their awesome character. People wanted Roy and Mewtwo to come back. Why is Dr. Mario any less special.

Because Roy and Mewtwo had some originality. Dr. Mario was just a palette swapped Mario. It's like having WarioWare Wario and Overalls Wario in two different boxes.

Dr. Mario has appeared numerous titles though out the years and was one of the best selling NES games selling over 4 million copies, more then many characters can say about one game.

But he's still just Mario but in a doctors outfit.

But also, Dr. Mario isn't some new guys off the streets we want to put in Smash. He's a veteran. He's been in previous Smash games, all the more reason to put him back in.

Smash games? I don't recall him being in 64? If he was, then I'd agree. But he was only in one Smash game.

Dr. Mario wouldn't be exactly like Mario. He'd probably get some unique moves that take advantage of his megavitamins, not to mention a FS based off of Germ Buster.

You can say he'd get a Final Smash like that, but clones from the same series had pretty much the exact same Final Smashes. Let's not forget Triforce Slash and Landmasters...

You may have said you weren't picking on him but you decided I'm "going to ridicule the character he likes", which is close enough, and make it seem like you were picking on him. But, it wasn't like you said "I don't like Dr. Mario. I don't think he'd make a good character". You said little sarcastic comments and called people fanboys.

It's not like I insulted him or anything, just Dr. Mario, so I don't see why you were defending him. Besides, how is this any different from all those times he openly admitted to hated Sonic? In his avatar and such. I love Sonic, but you didn't see me saying "GET THAT OFF YOUR AVATAR YOU SON OF A BITCH!" Also, I don't see him anywhere near this conversation. He's probably like "Oh, he doesn't like Dr. Mario. That's fine. Wait, why is Smashchu defending me to such an extreme level? I'll just sit back and watch the fireworks."

So yeah, this is getting pretty out of hand.

[Game Guru]

It's actually pretty easy to Luigify Dr. Mario like the clones from Melee were Luigified. Just have the good Doctor use the Megavitamins for nearly all of his attacks. Of course, he would have the megavitamin throw, but if Dr. Mario used his Megavitamins for his other specials, the attacks would have a larger range that Mario's and Luigi's do not. Then you got his Final Smash, which would be as unique from Mario's as Ganondorf's is from Captain Falcon.

And despite what anyone says, Ganondorf DOES have a unique Final Smash from Captain Falcon. Ganondorf's charges forward, while Captain Falcon's drives towards the screen. Ganondorf's Final Smash works like Mario's or Samus's, while Captain Falcon's works like Meta Knight's, Link's, Ike's, and Marth's.

Also, I would say Dr. Mario does deserve to be in Smash. He is the most popular of any character from a Puzzle Game. Of course, about the only other ones are Panel De Pon's Lip and Puyo Pop's Arle, both of whom seem to have trouble making US appearences.

[Smashchu]

I have explained my point and why I am defending him in almost every post. If you need it, go read the other.

Also
1)all your comebacks are the same thing I said against Toon Link before we knew of him.
2)It's truly a matter of opinion. Sqrt and I like Dr. Mario, and Sam can see him being in. You, however, do not. Just like the arguments with Toon Link, it's all down to opinion.

(monologue approching)
But, like I said, that is the magic of Smash. You fall in love with these characters because they are from another world. They have a point of origin. So you can relate to many and learn of the others. That is what is awesome about this game. To play as the Nintendo All-Stars (and Sonic and Snake). So that is why people have opinions we see as outlandish. The final decision is Sakurai's. What has been said about Dr. Mario was said for Toon Link. Everyone wanted Toon Link becuase of Wind Waker. They saw him as special. Arkendic (spelling) wanted Duck Hunt Doh because he liked Duck Hunt, and felt it should have something in Smash.

We can give our reasons all day, but when it comes down to it, it's all up to Sakurai.

Also, I would say Dr. Mario does deserve to be in Smash. He is the most popular of any character from a Puzzle Game. Of course, about the only other ones are Panel De Pon's Lip and Puyo Pop's Arle, both of whom seem to have trouble making US appearences.

True, but the reason Dr. Mario was able to break in was the "Mario" factor. If it didn't have Mario, then it would have also had trouble coming here.

[TV Eye]

Also, I would say Dr. Mario does deserve to be in Smash. He is the most popular of any character from a Puzzle Game. Of course, about the only other ones are Panel De Pon's Lip and Puyo Pop's Arle, both of whom seem to have trouble making US appearences.

Um...Tetris anyone? L-Shape block seemed to be pretty high on the poll...



Whatever. I'm through with this. You claim I repeat myself, but you don't provide good enough answers. So, yeah. Bye.

[8bitretroshit]

It will be ATLEAST another 6 years or so before the next Smash might be unveiled and I'm just wondering how many Dr. Mario discussions will be had untill then.

Anyway I think it's weird how everybody calls him best representative of puzzle games when back in Melee nobody even thought about him like that and knew he was in just for the sake of the Dr.Mario music (and extra clone characters).

But hey if playable Dr. Mario means Virus Bottle stage then I'm all for him to appear next time.

[Smashchu]

May 26, 2008 15:15:13 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

Also, I would say Dr. Mario does deserve to be in Smash. He is the most popular of any character from a Puzzle Game. Of course, about the only other ones are Panel De Pon's Lip and Puyo Pop's Arle, both of whom seem to have trouble making US appearences.

Um...Tetris anyone? L-Shape block seemed to be pretty high on the poll...

Whatever. I'm through with this. You claim I repeat myself, but you don't provide good enough answers. So, yeah. Bye.

Jezz what is with you TV Eye; your usually really cool. You said you didn't wish to talk about Dr. Mario yet it was you who started the conversation.

Anyway I think it's weird how everybody calls him best representative of puzzle games when back in Melee nobody even thought about him like that and knew he was in just for the sake of the Dr.Mario music (and extra clone characters).

Partly becuase of mere exposer effect. The more you are around something, the more you like it. The thing you said (clone, there for music) was the reason people want him gone. Looking back, he is a part of Nintendo history, more that can be said about many characters in Smash.

As for the number of discussions, we'll discuss everything in depth. Probably not as much as Brawl winds down, but expect it again when SSB4 comes around. But that is the way with Smash. Like I said, since you relate to these characters, you want them in and it becomes "serious business". Of course, one thing to realize is that we can argue all day, but Sakurai decides. It's all his opinion, but he usually does a good job so we can trust him. Also, popularity plays a big roll, so the more you ask for it, the more likely it is.

[TrustTheFungus]

I really don't understand why Dr. Mario fans can't be happy with Mario. Fans of obscure games have little hope of getting a single character from thier favorite game, and Dr fans have to have two versions of Mario?

And all of the Mario sport games are Nintendo's most popular golf/tennis/racing/baseball/soccer/etc... Should five+ more versions of Mario be included? How about Pinball Kirby? FPS Samus? Adventures Fox? All of these make just as much sense as Dr. Mario.

[Game Guru]

May 26, 2008 15:15:13 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

Also, I would say Dr. Mario does deserve to be in Smash. He is the most popular of any character from a Puzzle Game. Of course, about the only other ones are Panel De Pon's Lip and Puyo Pop's Arle, both of whom seem to have trouble making US appearences.

Um...Tetris anyone? L-Shape block seemed to be pretty high on the poll...



Whatever. I'm through with this. You claim I repeat myself, but you don't provide good enough answers. So, yeah. Bye.

L-Block is high on WHAT poll? Maybe the GameFAQs poll, but not in any poll of Smash Bros I've see. Also, L-Block isn't a character, he's a puzzle piece. It would be like letting the Megavitamin fight.

And yes, it is true that Dr. Mario had the Mario factor, but Dr. Mario doesn't get a break it seems. I mean why ISN'T he appearing in Mario Sports titles when even Baby Mario and Dry Bowser are? Nintendo should at least be consistant. It is also true that no one thought of Dr. Mario, but I don't think anyone suggested Lip for Melee either or ANY Puzzle Game Character.

Oh, and the reason I personally want Dr. Mario is because FLUDD stinks as a Down Special. If they brought back the Mario Tornado and possibly give Dr. Mario an arena like Mario Kart, I would be pretty satisfied, but that won't happen if Brawl is more popular than Melee, which it will be. And even if Dr. Mario had a FLUDD himself, it would probably spray purple liquid and cause damage as well, which would make it better than Mario's.

Oh and as for Roy and Mewtwo, you are now just discriminating against Dr. Mario, as Ike is what Roy should've been and Lucario is what Mewtwo should've been. While most surport Mewtwo, and to a lesser extent Roy, Dr. Mario isn't universally hated as a Smash Bros. Only Pichu is.

Really, I'm not passionate about Dr. Mario, just that Mario's FLUDD stinks and I want the Mario Tornado back as a Down Special and to have a Dr. Mario arena. Mewtwo is who I really want back, and I want no one cut from Brawl.

Either way, TV Eye is being a jerk. I mean if EVERYONE is saying that they want Dr. Mario back because he would have the Mario Tornado, then maybe that's because FLUDD stinks and was one of many mistakes with Brawl. I personally don't want Dr. Mario back unless Mario has FLUDD again. And heck, I could argue why Mewtwo shouldn't be back. Mewtwo stinks in Melee, and Lucario is a vast improvement. That doesn't mean I don't want Mewtwo back and WITH Lucario.

[Smashchu]

May 26, 2008 20:09:18 GMT -5 TrustTheFungus said:

I really don't understand why Dr. Mario fans can't be happy with Mario. Fans of obscure games have little hope of getting a single character from thier favorite game, and Dr fans have to have two versions of Mario?

And all of the Mario sport games are Nintendo's most popular golf/tennis/racing/baseball/soccer/etc... Should five+ more versions of Mario be included? How about Pinball Kirby? FPS Samus? Adventures Fox? All of these make just as much sense as Dr. Mario.

Well, for starters, Dr. Mario is a long running franchise.

Of course, it's also becuase he's been in a Smash game.

[missingno.is back?]

FLUDD would've been better as an item.

[Boo Destroyer]

Paper Mario for the next Smash.