Sonic & the Black Knight

[Manspeed]

Screw you, Kirb. At this point we Americans will take what we can get. ;D

[kirbychu]

But really, what's the point? They already gave you classic Western purists a compromise there. Both names are correct, and both are still in use.

Eggman suits him better, anyway. It's supposed to be silly. He's a character who combines the traits of the evil villain (like Ganondorf) and the comedy villain (like Team Rocket). That's what makes Eggman a unique and lovable character. I've never understood why you Americans have such a problem with it. XD

[Manspeed]

I don't have a problem with it., but you do realize that the name Robotnik hasn't actually been mentioned at all since SA2, right?

[Grandy02]

I actually don't know really much about Sonic, but Sega seems to have a "name change policy" very different from Nintendo's. When I looked into the Sonic characters list in Wikipedia, almost all names were the same in both English and Japanese. Seeing that, it's no wonder when Sega internationalizes the name of such a major character. Totally different with major Nintendo franchises such as Mario and Pokémon (aside from the Peach name change), where only a few names are internationally the same, and in Europe, characters can even have up to five different names.

[kirbychu]

Jan 17, 2009 13:34:46 GMT -5 Manspeed said:

I don't have a problem with it., but you do realize that the name Robotnik hasn't actually been mentioned at all since SA2, right?

It has, actually. Most notably in Sonic Chronicles, the Sonic Riders games and Sonic X. Don't forget Sonic Battle and Shadow the Hedgehog, too. It's also there under "real name" whenever a bio of Eggman appears.

But as far as the current international continuity is concerned, Eggman keeps the name "Robotnik" secret so that he's able to remain in charge of Robotnik Corp. and make money to fund his schemes without being tracked down and arrested.

[The Qu]

Where was that revealed? I haven't played a Sonic game since SA2, but have kept up with teh series since then.

[kirbychu]

Mostly Sonic Channel, but the proof of it is in Sonic Battle and Sonic Riders. All the heroes' EX Gear were made by Robotnik Corp., and in Battle Rouge talks about Eggman selling guard robots to various companies to make money.

[Koopaul]

Ah, no one complained when Toadstool, got her japanese name.

[Grandy02]

Jan 18, 2009 21:23:37 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

Ah, no one complained when Toadstool, got her japanese name.

I'd complain about such name changes if they changed names as if the former name never existed, independent of whether it's from a western name to the original Japanese name or backwards. That's not the case with Peach/Toadstool, there was a transition, and Toadstool is still partly used in remakes and VC titles, most notably Super Mario 64 (DS) and Super Mario RPG. But I refuse to call Captain Syrup by the Germanized name "Kapitän Kandis", which was introduced in the German version of Wario Land Shake as if "Syrup" never existed. Wouldn't wonder if the translators thought that Syrup is a new character.

[kirbychu]

Eh?! Grandy, they still use the name Robotnik as his real name! Peach hasn't been called Toadstool once since Mario 64, the same game we first heard her called Peach!

[Grandy02]

Jan 19, 2009 5:43:25 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

Eh?! Grandy, they still use the name Robotnik as his real name! Peach hasn't been called Toadstool once since Mario 64, the same game we first heard her called Peach!

I'm sure she was called Toadstool again in Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario Advance 4. And even if she wasn't, there was a transition, since Super Mario 64 used both Peach and Toadstool. If it only used Peach, then it would be as if Toadstool never existed, that's what I meant and what's not the case. And I barely know what's up with Eggman/Robotnik, I admit that I don't have a single Sonic game. Nothing more to say.

[kirbychu]

But... Eggman had a transition just like that, too. In Sonic Adventure 1. The difference is that Sonic Team have kept Robotnik in use, where Nintendo have just discarded Toadstool entirely.

And no, ports/remakes don't count. They've just left Toadstool in there instead of changing it to Peach. That's just laziness.

[Grandy02]

Jan 19, 2009 7:10:42 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

But... Eggman had a transition just like that, too. In Sonic Adventure 1. The difference is that Sonic Team have kept Robotnik in use, where Nintendo have just discarded Toadstool entirely.

To summarize, there can be the following three cases:
- A new name is preferred over the former name, but the latter one is still used in some way, even if much rarer than before (e.g. Eggman/Robotnik).
- The name gets changed, for transition both the new and former name are used in one game, the latter name isn't used in more games, aside from remakes/ports. (e.g. Peach/Toadstool)
- The name just gets changed from one game to another, the former name is never mentioned again in any way.

The third case is the one I really dislike, you can't tell from it whether the translators actually wanted to change the name or just had no clue about the character.

Jan 19, 2009 7:10:42 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

And no, ports/remakes don't count. They've just left Toadstool in there instead of changing it to Peach. That's just laziness.

They could actually easily change Toadstool to Peach in SMA4, but for some reason, they kept it in the letter (while Toad's letter addresses her as Peach):


It was also surprising that they partly used Toadstool in Super Mario 64 DS even in new texts that weren't in the original game. "Princess Toadstool" is even trademarked today. Well, it depends on personal point of view whether Nintendo discarded Toadstool entirely or not.

But now end of this discussion, before it becomes the next "Brendan's 'hair'" one. Plus, it has hardly anything to do with this game (but that is common business in this board ).

[Sqrt2]

Personally, I just think of it as "Peach" being her first name, and "Toadstool" as her surname, making her "Princess Peach Toadstool". ;D

Anyway, before I read what this thread was about, I thought it was Sonic versus the Black Knight from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn. (I'd definitely pay good money to see that fight! ;D)

*plays the Unstoppable Destiny track on his iPod*

[Koopaul]

Back to Black... Knight that is. Anyway, I wonder if any of these story book games will feature the return of Rouge who has pulled a disappearing act recently.

I know Omega is impossible to pull of in any of these things.