Alternate Costumes

[The Qu]

Yeah, I know the Ice Climber screenshot is bad. I took it myself and crappily resized it. I've no idea why it turned out side bad compared to past screenshots. She seemed red to me (but pink on her death screen- maybe I got a bad ROM?) but oh well.
As for Booster, I was thinking you'd probably dismiss it since that's a third-party made game. Thankfully, I'm wrong!

Meta Knight and Dedede's unidentified alts may be from multiplayer Kirby 64. Also, Charizard's greenish alt isn't his shiny form-it's black
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Charizard_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Lastly, Lucario's teal color isn't his shiny colors reversed. If anything, the color before that is.
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Image:Spr_4d_448_s.png

[TV Eye]

Brilliant, Fry. Keep up the hard/good work!

In any case, the tinted helmet Olimar might be a reference to The Fury from Metal Gear Solid 3, though why does Olimar's suit have so much gold...?

It's a stretch, I guess.

[The Qu]

Green Olimar might be a ref to Olimar's son:

I'll freely admit that this is a stretch, but both are that odd mint green...
I'm still at a loss for the other Olimar costumes.
Also, Fry, Leaf is from Thracia, not Trachia!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Emblem:_Thracia_776

[Smashchu]

Jul 22, 2008 17:03:36 GMT -5 Fryguy64 said:

• OMFG it's not Foreman Spike any more! Wario has that costume now. It also means the Melee guide was wrong.
  

It's been suggested that this is a reference to the Game Boy colours, although I put it to you that this is the Foreman Spike colour scheme Mario used in SSB64 reversed.

Since when does anything reversed become a cameo.
Also, if it was Foreman Spike in Melee itis Foreman Spike in Brawl as well. It doesn't magically drop the cameo, even if another character might have it.

Here is foreman spike's sprite

I don't see either character having the reference, only if it's just they have the same brown tone. I assume if the Melee guide said it, then it's probably very likely it is.

As for the GB references, their suppose to be monochrome. As you can see Here they are generally suppose to look black and white. The brown is any shading. For instance, Kirby's white coustume has off colored shoes, but his sprite has them shaded. The same goes for Dedede's robe.

Of course, it all goes back to what Flip said, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it's a duck. These are clearly gameboy colors. Why else would there be black and white colors. The Wario one is the only stretch as of the yellow gloves, but it is certainly not Foreman Spike.

[Fryguy64]

Charizard's Alt Form
I checked this myself. In Diamond/Pearl, his shiny form is black, but in Ruby/Sapphire it's definitely dark green.

Booster Alt
Most Nintendo games are developed outside of Nintendo's four walls, but it's very much a major Nintendo title that will never be taken away from Nintendo.

Lucario
Err... what? The colour before that is black and white...

Marth
I don't understand why you have a bug up your ass about this Dasher. Listen - you are explaining this REALLY badly. I don't know what you're trying to say. Where do his Standard colours come from then?

Olimar's Gold Suit
This is going to be something really weird. I don't think it's The Fury though. Tinted visor aside, there's nothing there.

Olimar's Son
I quite like this explanation. Don't his daughter and wife also appear? Just a thought...

Foreman Spike Outfit
Smashchu, that's what I said above - my Melee cameo was wrong. I assumed it was the same design to the SSB64 design, but I was wrong, and it will be removed.
Wario's colour scheme, however, is identical to Mario's Spike outfit from SSB64, only with reversed colours. The colour scheme has been confirmed as a Foreman Spike cameo by Sakurai on the SSB64 website.
And ignore that WC98 sprite. All of the character designs in that game were hella weird. Look at the original game's sprite.

[Dasher Misire]

Yeah... sorry about that. I did have a bug up my ass this morning. Hope I didn't piss anyone off...

Marth's dark blue colors come from the boxart and the anime. My theory is the colors are used because of the anime, but then it'd be hard to explain why the jewel on his cape is different. Since the jewel only appears on the boxart, that's probably why these colors and these small touches are used.

I think the light blue alt is used for anyone who wanted Marth's classic style and artwork style over the colors used for the boxart with a navy blue cape.Perhaps also in because the colors are different in FEDS.

I think the light blue Falcon's in so you can play as a blue Falcon over a purple one, but this is baseless conjecture.

Here's a real crazy idea for Olimar. It's worth a thought. When you play as The President in Pikmin 2, he wears a black suit, and golden gloves and a golden backpack. Also, the Hocotate Freight Ship gets a snazzy gold paintjob.

[The Qu]

Yeah, light blue Marth is clearly from the FE3 art. I don't see how there's a debate.

Olimar's family
Yes, his wife and daughter are in Pikmin 2. His wife wears blue and his daugter pink, so I don't think there's any further connection.
pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Olimar%27s_family

Charizard
Are you sure? Here's the sprite:

It looks black to me... Or at least grey. To be all inclusive, here's the original shiny Charizard:

Aspects of it look similar to the blue alt and the green alt.
Also, in that entry for the Shiny Pokemon, you misspell tint as tiny.

Lucario:

That looks cream, not green to me, which explains my comment earlier.

[Dasher Misire]

Yeah there wasn't. I was just in a pissy mood and misintepreted a comment on another page.

[Fryguy64]

Jul 23, 2008 14:04:17 GMT -5 The Qu said:

Also, in that entry for the Shiny Pokemon, you misspell tint as tiny.

There are likely to be many small spelling errors. That post took me the best part of 4 hours to complete, and by the end my brain hurt and I wanted to kill everyone.

That's the power of Nintendo, bee-yatch!

Jul 23, 2008 14:04:17 GMT -5 The Qu said:

Lucario:

That looks cream, not green to me, which explains my comment earlier.

Hmm... still looks green to me. Or at least that sort of yellow-green... you know... like the one Lucario has.

Oh and Dasher, don't fret about it. Just mind yourself next time. If there's any question over the artwork, it's because there's so little decent quality boxart for the early Fire Emblem games out there on teh interwebs. I just need you to wave it at me and explain.

[Swedol]

Jul 23, 2008 7:56:33 GMT -5 Swedol said:

The purple Dedede could be a reference any of these



The Blue Luigi could be this

The Red Luigi
The Blue and the green Diddy could be refering to Kiddy .

Is everyone ignoring this?

[The Qu]

Personally, I find all of those save Diddy's to big of a stretch. Why would Sakurai reference a one screen color that's the result of shading anyways? The Dedede costumes aren't as bad, but still beg the question of why?

[Fryguy64]

I was ignoring it, although the Kiddy one was interesting. I was planning to check a load of the Kongs coz of that

The others were too strange and unlikely.

King Dedede has strange patterns on his clothes. If they're not relevant to anything, I suspect his alts are just colour and costume changes.

[Flip]

King Dedede had a pink alt in Kirby 64's multiplayer. He may have had the bright blue as well, though I can also see that being a reference to Mr. Frosty from the Kirby games (since his belt gets a snowflake pattern).

Olimar's Gold Suit (which we call "Negrolimar" or "Afrolimar" here) is his boss, I think. His boss wears black and yellow as well. The tinted helmet, however, may just be a cool effect and nothing more.

I've always felt that Bowser's last costume, the dark green, is in reference to the American art for the character. I know somebody said that already but I felt like backing them up on that.

[Captain Walrus]

Okay, Snake:


Alt. Costume: Red & Black Camo (Confirmed)
Fire Camo from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.


Just note that it's the "Fire Camo" and not "Flame Camo".

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Alt. Costume: Blue & Grey Squares Camo (Busted)
It's absolutely not the Spider Camo from Metal Gear Solid 3.

I went through all the MSG3 camos, even the downloadable ones, and didn't see anything like this. I don't recall anything like this from MGS: Twin Snakes or MGS2, either. I haven't played MGS4, so it might be there as some sort of urban camo or Snake's normal sneaking suit in high-def.

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Alt. Costume: White, Grey, and Brown Camo (Busted)
It's not the Spirit Camo.


It's not the Snow Camo.


My best guess is the AUSCAM camo with the brightness turned up a little bit.

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Alt. Costume: Green and Tan Camo (Busted)
I don't think it's the Moss Camo:


It looks more like the Snake Camo:

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Alt. Costume: Leopard Print Camo (Confirmed)
Animals Camo from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.



P.S. I finally got around to playing Metal Gear Solid 3 a month ago and it's fucking awesome. Definitely among the top three games I've ever played. I highly recommend it.

[Dasher Misire]

I love MGS3. It's one of my favorite games ever, only MGS1 surpasses it for me. The story made me nearly cry. So did MGS1 but MGS3 was freaking DEPRESSING, man.

Snake Camo's more likely because it's symbolic of The Boss, too.

And aw, Flip, you're gonna get credit for my amazing discovery! :-P The Fury Olimar is prolly The President coloring, but I wonder why it isn't done like The President's actual suit- which was black with golden gloves and a golden backpack. Yet Louie's is spot-on.