Alternate Costumes

[The Qu]

All right, I'm going to get a few more out of the way, and then I'm done with them unless I think of a new one

Mario

Fry, I hate to sound stubborn, but is it so hard to believe that Mario's black-ish costume is a realisticly colored version of the costume here? Take it onto a level with good lighting- I like Distant Planet or Battlefield- and you'll see it's a dark shade of brown. His hat is chocolate colored and his shoes look black Also, his shoes look blue here, and this is a confirmed cameo!. Again, this is just me, and we've demonstrated that, apperently, we disagree on colors. Which is odd.

Luigi
I'm still of the opinion that Luigi's pink costume is in reference to his Wrecking Crew sprite.

Also, before you bring it up, you have alts listed that weren't listed on the SSB64 page, which, IMO, invalidates that argument.

Bowser

I do understand your argument that the coloring has a lot of differences- and it does- but IMO it still looks like Morton filtered through what's possible with alternate coloring in Brawl. You can't have anything to fancy, after all. It's the shell that does it for me. How many other white shelled Koopas are there? Or ones with gold trim?

Zelda
Are you still listing Blue Zelda as a LttP ref?

Samus
All right, this is weird. On the SSB64 page, it lists green Samus as being known as the production model Samus. The bolded text is copied directly from the site. Anyone know what that's about?
Also, your opinion on the Super Metroid standard suit coloring?

Yup, I think that's it.

[Flip]

Production model is possibly in reference to "Power Suit," since it is the version of the suit she gets before she has any upgrades. So yeah, the green-trim is the way to go. I always play as that Samus in Brawl and call her "Super Metroid Sammy." I don't see how anybody can NOT see the resemblance.

Morton is a really great reference if it is one. The black skin throws me off, personally, but the shell is perfection. I like the Dry Bowser idea as well, however shell and braces are red for Dry Bowser, not white. I'm not really sure WHAT this is in reference too, though we could just do a cop out and say "Gameboy." Or, simply, "whim."

And to add further support to the blue dress for Peach being NES Daisy, Daisy also wore blue in Mario is Missing:


Oddly enough, the official art for NES Open Tournament Golf does NOT match the game itself. Within the guide Daisy and Peach wear their regular costumes. Though I would still argue the reference is there:


A few more I'm thinking of:

-Red DK may be in reference to the original colorations for the arcade DK, who was definitely reddish in color. The blue tie was added.

-The Dark Link costume is the Dark Link from Twilight Princess. The red eyes, white hair, etc. It is NOT from anywhere else, that specific coloration/scheme.

-Another CRAZY Link idea: all the tunics also double as rupee colors. Green, Blue, Red, Silver, AND Gold. Of course, they are also all tunic colors he has had in the past, INCLUDING Gold which is in Phantom Hourglass's Wi-Fi mode. It's a Toon Link coloration, but given to Adult Link. Check it out:


-Yet another wacko idea: Luigi's Orange and Blue costume is a reference to Balloon Fight. Check this. In Balloon Fight the Balloon Fighter wore the normal Red and Blue overalls (http://www.mywii.com.au/img/game/Balloon-Fight-1.jpg) while Player 2 had the inverse. In the art for the Japanese Balloon Fight the Balloon Fighter is wearing Orange and Blue. How would that look inversed? And what is Luigi normally considered when compared to Mario? ;D:


-Finally, my last insane idea: the Ice Climber costumes are ALSO in reference to Balloon Fight. Hear me out. The final costume where the duo wears white and Popo dons blue gloves, Nana red? Likely a reference to Balloon Fight for the Game and Watch, which stared the ridiculous character "Balloon Man." Check out what he is wearing:


To add fuel to the fire, we already know Sakurai has BF and Ice Climbers in the same universe. So such a comparison is logical. The light blue costume with the green gloves I have also pegged a possible candidate for. There was a Game and Watch game simply called "Climber." The main character wears blue with gray highlights. While the shoes are not red on Popo and Nana they are both wearing blue and share the same gray highlights. The game was a spiritual "sequel" to Ice Climber:

[The Qu]

Those are very intresting Flip! Especially the Ice Climbers ones. Very nice thinking outside the box.

Also, Gold Link is from Ura Zelda. The tunic was in Ocarina of Time's code, apperently, and can be gotten via hacking:

Thanks to 8bitretrogloopy a few pages back for this really cool one. The Phantom Hourglass tunic is very cool as well, and gives it an alternative explanation that's actually in a game!

I second Arcade DK! Get him and stand him next to Arcade DK on 75m and the resemblance between teh two colors is very odd. It's probably a coincidence, but it's nevertheless very odd.

Something I forgot to add to my Ice Climbers post on page 2: The red costume I suggest an alt for puts Nana in the lead, thus putting the emphasis on her. And because I just found a sprite sheet:

Looks red to me...

[Dances in Undergarments]

Can you guys possibly stretch this hobo any more? Orange and blue Luigi is a reference to not just another game series, but a boxart in one region for a game in that series, then inversed for some reason.

Orange and Blue Luigi is a wizzleing cameo - of the characters known as 'the colour orange' and 'the colour blue'. Give it up.

(I still maintain blue and green dress Peach are just Peach in a wizzleing blue dress and a wizzleing green dress, since she needs to have those colour schemes anyway)

[Flip]

Jul 24, 2008 10:18:20 GMT -5 Dances in Undergarments said:

Can you guys possibly stretch this hobo any more? Orange and blue Luigi is a reference to not just another game series, but a boxart in one region for a game in that series, then inversed for some reason.

Orange and Blue Luigi is a wizzleing cameo - of the characters known as 'the colour orange' and 'the colour blue'. Give it up.

(I still maintain blue and green dress Peach are just Peach in a wizzleing blue dress and a wizzleing green dress, since she needs to have those colour schemes anyway)

Give us some fucking slack. You can stop jumping down throats for creativity and opinion any time now.

[Johans Nidorino]

I guess N64DD Zelda is the best source for Link's golden costume, at least for the site's page. After all we got a Twilight Princess Sheik who isn't part of the released game's fiction.

[Smashchu]

I have to agree with Flip somewhat, but in DiU's defense, it's the thing that was always maintained on NinDB. We could find links in a lot of things, however, there is a matter of whether it was truly the intent of the developer to make the cameo, or is it just coincidence. Red DK could be coincidence becuase, like DiU mentioned, he needs that color. Also, it's hard to point to whether it was meant to look like Arcade DK in the first place.

Nothing wrong with being creative, but when it comes to cameos, we must look for the reasonable. If you hear hoofs, thinks horses. Not zebras,

[TV Eye]

Screw the Luigi/Balloon Fight theory. Mario's red and blue switched looks like the sprite from Balloon Fight. He even has the blue hat/helmet.

[Spud]

admin said:

peaking of which... what the hell happened to his eyepatch?

In StarFox64 the first battle with them (fortuna was it not?) he has the eyepatch but when you fight them on venom (the "We've got bigger sticks better ships" battle) he has replaced the eyepatch with the glass ... ... thing.

[Dasher Misire]

My bet is the HMD lets Wolf see with a cybernetic implant. Which just sounds kickass and would make sense if he's missing an eye.

With Takamaru being requested a ton, I wonder if his colors are in the game somewhere. I'm thinking on Ike.

[The Qu]

Nope, Takamaru's colors don't appear to be in. That'd be cool if they were, though.
On the other hand, I forgot he had Sigurd's colors.

This is the best I can find right now, sadly, and it's not even teh right costume design. I'll try looking for it some more since I found it once...

[Dances in Undergarments]

Jul 24, 2008 12:24:24 GMT -5 Flip said:

Jul 24, 2008 10:18:20 GMT -5 Dances in Undergarments said:

Can you guys possibly stretch this hobo any more? Orange and blue Luigi is a reference to not just another game series, but a boxart in one region for a game in that series, then inversed for some reason.

Orange and Blue Luigi is a wizzleing cameo - of the characters known as 'the colour orange' and 'the colour blue'. Give it up.

(I still maintain blue and green dress Peach are just Peach in a wizzleing blue dress and a wizzleing green dress, since she needs to have those colour schemes anyway)

Give us some wizzleing slack. You can stop jumping down throats for creativity and opinion any time now.

I'm all for searching obscure sources for cameos, but you can't honestly think Sakurai and the rest of the Smash team went "okay, we need another colour for Luigi. Hey, remember the boxart (not the game - the boxart) for Balloon fight? Lets invert the colours on the balloon fighter there and use it". Can you?

Be creative if you want. Have opinions if you want. But maybe think it through a little.

[NinjaRygar]

Even if they do match, it's because... as any art student will tell you....

Blue and Orange are complimentary colors.

[Flip]

Jul 24, 2008 20:39:50 GMT -5 Dances in Undergarments said:

Jul 24, 2008 12:24:24 GMT -5 Flip said:

Give us some wizzleing slack. You can stop jumping down throats for creativity and opinion any time now.

I'm all for searching obscure sources for cameos, but you can't honestly think Sakurai and the rest of the Smash team went "okay, we need another colour for Luigi. Hey, remember the boxart (not the game - the boxart) for Balloon fight? Lets invert the colours on the balloon fighter there and use it". Can you?

Be creative if you want. Have opinions if you want. But maybe think it through a little.

I'm not saying it's the absolute, and I even introduced it as a crazy idea, but if we're using box arts for other costume references I don't see how it's out of line. Frankly, the blue and orange costume was brand new to Brawl and came out of nowhere, really. I know that the two colors are complimentary and it would make sense to pair them, but it makes as much sense that they may be a reference as well.

[Dasher Misire]

Still the same design, but there are figurines of Sigurd around the web and etc.

Balloon Fighter's not a reference. It's inverted and Sakurai's not trying to play with our minds. If he wanted to make a reference he'd do the right color choices. It's not FIND THE HIDDEN COLOR CODING. Which would be cool but still. I think if it was a reference it'd be obvious to a fault.

I thought the orange and blue was meant to be like Mario but *shrug*