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Post by Smashchu on Jul 26, 2008 13:33:10 GMT -5
Form Kirby's Air Ride
Meta-Knight:Red and green are
Dedede:Pink, Purple and Green. The crown doesn't match, but the color shades are exact.
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Post by Savage Adam on Jul 26, 2008 19:21:13 GMT -5
Meta Knights alt colors in KAR.
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Post by The Qu on Jul 26, 2008 19:39:27 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch Adam! So, the green and Red Meta Knights are from KAR in addition to the Pink, purple and green Dedede's. Thanks.
Also, Fry, Varia Suit Samus has a blue visor. As I'm sure you know, that's notable on a NES styled Samus because it was the way they showed Samus was using missles in the original.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 27, 2008 8:27:58 GMT -5
Big update to the list on page 1 guys!
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on Jul 27, 2008 9:48:05 GMT -5
Its interesting to look at the changes that have occurred to the costumes. Any known reason why fire Luigi loses the coloured gloves and the orange a green L logo? And what about why green Kirby gains orange feet? I'm pretty sure thats one of the spray-can colours in Squeak Squad, but I assume its probably been around for a little while longer.
As for the black and white / sepia characters, it seems to me like its only the characters that debuted on the gameboy that get them (Kirby, metaknight, dedede, trainer, lucario, and if you count Wario's as one), which would suggest to me it is a gameboy reference - but then
- some are much more blatant than others - why make Dedede completely sepia tone but then make Metaknight not really sepia tone and Wario not at all if its supposed to be a reference?
- the two returning Pokeymans don't have one (also why the fuck dont they have proper alt colours? that confuses me)
- why would lucario get one, anyway? he's the newest character in the game, why apply fake nostalgia to him?
Also, dark brown Bowser seems to just be 'realistic' Bowser to me.
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Post by Savage Adam on Jul 27, 2008 10:33:33 GMT -5
^^ Orange feet Kirby was also in Amazing Mirror.
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Post by The Qu on Jul 27, 2008 17:16:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Green Kirby isn't Plasma Kirby. He's the generic green Kirby that's shown up in games for a while now.
Other than that and the aforementioned Samus visor, I don't have anything to add (for now...). Great job on the list Fry! Looks great.
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Post by TV Eye on Jul 27, 2008 17:50:05 GMT -5
Ike's Purple clothes, red cloak might be referencing Hector, and his Cream clothes, red cloak is most definitely (in my book) a reference to this guy. The colors seem to match. |
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Post by The Qu on Jul 27, 2008 18:03:40 GMT -5
The cream clothes one is already mentioned on teh official site as being normal solidiers clothes: www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique08.htmlWhich Fry needs to add to the list. Fry- when I suggested Booster I meant the 2nd Wario costume. Although lacking black pants and teh red helmet (although parts of Booster's is white as well), it has white gloves that match Booster's wrist spikes and red shoes like him. Not to mention a red jacket like his. Honestly, they're both very similar, so I can understand why you noted the one you did.   One more I didn't notice you had put up: Diddy's blue costume looks more like Kiddy Kong's pajamas than Diddy's vehicles: www.mariowiki.com/Image:Diddy_car.jpg It's not really the color of either though. |
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Post by Smashchu on Jul 27, 2008 19:09:07 GMT -5
Its interesting to look at the changes that have occurred to the costumes. Any known reason why fire Luigi loses the coloured gloves and the orange a green L logo? And what about why green Kirby gains orange feet? I'm pretty sure thats one of the spray-can colours in Squeak Squad, but I assume its probably been around for a little while longer. As for the black and white / sepia characters, it seems to me like its only the characters that debuted on the gameboy that get them (Kirby, metaknight, dedede, trainer, lucario, and if you count Wario's as one), which would suggest to me it is a gameboy reference - but then - some are much more blatant than others - why make Dedede completely sepia tone but then make Metaknight not really sepia tone and Wario not at all if its supposed to be a reference? - the two returning Pokeymans don't have one (also why the wizzle dont they have proper alt colours? that confuses me) - why would lucario get one, anyway? he's the newest character in the game, why apply fake nostalgia to him? Also, dark brown Bowser seems to just be 'realistic' Bowser to me. Meta-Knight's seems to be more of a white knight then a GB reference, and I assume Lucario's is similar in that respect. Still not sold on the Wario one. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 28, 2008 3:09:49 GMT -5
Green Kirby
"Generic Green Kirby"? I think you'll find Kirby was first green as Plasma form Kirby in KSS. If the shoes don't match exactly, that doesn't mean that's not the source - just look at the Yoshi lineup! Identify the first place those shoes were used and we're away (I'm guessing Kirby Air Ride, unless he also appeared in Nightmare in Dreamland?)
Ike's Alts
I'll check these out in more detail. I'm sure there's more Fire Emblem goodies in there somewhere.
And The Qu - "Normal Soldier" is one thing - but find me a screenshot and we'll talk.
Wario's Booster Outfit
I noted the one I did, because the red hat and black trousers were more key to me than the white gloves and red jacket. Which REALLY probably means that neither of them have anything to do with Booster.
Diddy's Kiddy colours
Meh...
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Post by NinjaRygar on Jul 28, 2008 6:05:33 GMT -5
Great update fry. Though, weren't some of the costume explainations in Yellow already cleared up?
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Post by The Qu on Jul 28, 2008 6:25:05 GMT -5
fryguy64.proboards27.com/index.cgi?board=ssb&action=display&thread=2599&page=1Anybody remember CrappyCaptureDevice's thread for Melee's colors?I was looking in it and found what I think might be an explanation for CAptain Falcon's blue clothes, and why they're in all the games:  This is Falcon in the F-Zero X Expansion. Note the darker suit (that's the color of the Melee one), red arm guards instead of orange (with both F-Zero X art and the blue costume have), darker red helmet, no collar color (the F-Zero X art is red, which the blue costume is). In addition, before FZero GX, Falcon had no scarf, and the blue Falcon has a white scarf. This could white since they couldn't just remove it. Lastly, here's the F-Zero X art for Falcon.  Compare and contrast between the two's similarities. I know you probably won't care much for this, Fry, and I hope I don't come off as too stubborn. After thinking of this I decided to give it one last shot. *shrugs*. BTW, what do you mean find a screenshot of a normal soldier? Sakurai confirmed it! Isn't the proverbial word of God enough for you, man?! ;D 
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 28, 2008 6:55:28 GMT -5
Err... Link's broken.
Err... you just posted an image from F-Zero X of Captain Falcon clearly with a yellow scarf. And isn't the Blue Falcon his car?!
Apparently not, as we're still debating a few of his original cameos from the SSB64 website! Besides, he also showed "Greil's" colours in that post, which could mean he was saying both colours were from "normal characters".
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 28, 2008 8:38:41 GMT -5
Hate to break it to you Fry, but...  Plasma Kirby was still pink. The green Kirby originates in the original SSB, then went on to appear in games like Amazing Mirror, which added the orange shoes. While I'm at it..  Fire Kirby was merely a darker shade of pink, not the beet red he is in SSB. That has the same origins as green Kirby. This like how you said that yellow Kirby was not Beam Kirby, who was peach colored. |
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