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Post by TV Eye on Jul 28, 2008 10:30:57 GMT -5
Works fine for me, and it looks like a definite cameo. Also, where in the hell does Sakurai say Ike's cream suit is a soldier costume? |
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Post by Spud on Jul 28, 2008 11:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by The Qu on Jul 28, 2008 14:17:52 GMT -5
Not sure what's going on for you, but both of the links are working for me... I'll amend it to links instead of pics though. In the image I'm taking about, F-Zero X Expansion Falcon doesn't have a scarf. Also, when I say blue Falcon I'm referring to the alt, not the car!
BTW, you're right about the scarf. I guess I never noticed it since he's not wearing it out in the older games.
I fixed the link in the previous post. Now they're should be a photobucket pic of the F-Zero X Expansion Falcon I was talking about. Again, not sure at all why you couldn't see it but I could.
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 28, 2008 16:11:39 GMT -5
I can see it now - and yes, it's definitely looking convincing now ;D
Oh, and thanks for clearing up the Kirby ones. Who'da thunk it, eh? Well... I shall look into that. Are you 100% positive the red and green didn't appear anywhere before SSB64?
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 28, 2008 17:30:34 GMT -5
Yep. The last Kirby game released before SSB64 was Kirby 3 for SNES. Only blue (Ice) Kirby was around before then.
I also have a theory regarding Cap's blue costume... be back in a second...
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 28, 2008 17:51:38 GMT -5
OK, I'm back. The first thing I'd like to turn your attention to is Captain Falcon's fifth costume from the left (the blue one).  Now, look carefully at the gold shoulder pad and red collar and armbands. Now, let's look at the same costume in Melee (all the way on the right)...  Notice how the collar/armbands are still orange and the shoulderpad is still silver, like Cap's default purple costume. Next thing to acknowledge is that between Melee and Brawl, F-Zero: Falcon Legend, the TV anime and two games based on it, were released. Captain Falcon was given a different design for it, which looked like this...  You might notice that among other differences (like having a blue jacket with four buttons instead of purple spandex with nipple thingies), Cap has a big gold shoulderpad along with red armbands. The collar is supposed to be red also, but you can't see that in this particular image. The only real difference is that in Brawl, the scarf is white instead of yellow and the gun holster is green instead of brown. I'm not sure why that is. Otherwise, that's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. |
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Post by The Qu on Jul 28, 2008 18:46:05 GMT -5
Yep. The last Kirby game released before SSB64 was Kirby 3 for SNES. Only blue (Ice) Kirby was around before then. I also have a theory regarding Cap's blue costume... be back in a second... You're not wrong on ICe Kirby or Fire Kirby. However, they're exceptions as they're listed on the original SSB64 site. Plus, it looks like they were lighter as well, making them closer to they're KSS counterparts. |
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Post by Koopaul on Jul 28, 2008 19:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by The Qu on Jul 28, 2008 22:42:36 GMT -5
Okay, a few more ideas I've found. FoxHis green looks quite a bit like Bill Grey circa Command. www.gamehiker.com/gallery/albums/starfox/starfoxc/billgrey.jpg(Linked because of pic's size). Note Fox's green jacket, greener visor (which may just be me), yellow scarf. Bit of a stretch, and I've also seen it applied to Wolf's green costume. FalcoIf you don't mind me asking, how is his second costume closer to Melee's? They look similar, but not that similar to me. WolfHis white/red costume seems to be the Wolfen's color scheme- white with red trim... Pokemon TrainerIn the last costume, you say the Gameboy wasn't capable of sepia or brown. By the time Pokemon came out, games were able to be played on the Game Boy color, which gave Pokemon a limited color pallete. As I brought up earlier: Also, IMO, the last set of Pokemon Trainer is based off of their original game boy colors:  Bulbasaur has a white bulb in the pic and is light green with grey-ish specks. Same as the last costume.   The former Squirtle seems to be white shelled whilst the latter clearly has a blue shell. The last Squirtle has a white shell and the blue costume has a blue shell.  Charizard is light orange in most places with his wing's interior area being white. Again, this is very close to the last costume.  I might as well throw in Red's sprite while I'm at it, shouldn't I? Is it a stretch? Yeah, probably. But Mewtwo has a costume based on his original sprite, after all. Just tell me if the pics aren't showing up again, BTW. IkeTeev suggested Ike's purplish with red costume could be based on Hector from Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken. Since you're researching FE possibilities, I might as well post a pic of him:  ROBI've got a theory as to why the SNES color scheme was used. All other classic color schemes were used. You wouldn't want a ROB with a Gamecube color scheme, and N64 or Wii would be very generic colored. The Super Famicom was similar to the American ROB coloring, wasn't it? Hope that theory makes sense. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 29, 2008 3:58:18 GMT -5
Costume comments time! Man-Frog's Kirby CostumesI'm going to keep red and blue Kirby as Fire and Ice cameos, but I will leave an honourable mention that the colours are more in-keeping with the "multiplayer" Kirbies. I would like to clarify where these alternate colours were first used (outside of SSB). Was it the multiplayer in Kirby 64, Nightmare in Dream Land, or Kirby Air Ride? Man-Frog's Falcon Densetsu CostumeThe thing with the gold shoulder pad and red arms is that they're still covered by the Super Falcon costume. Falcon Legend's costume is still closer to his standard costume. Worth keeping our eyes on animated series though - can't dismiss them out of hand. Koopaul's Color TV ROB CostumeThe ROB looks more yellow and gold, while the Color TV Game 6/15 were shades of orange. Thinking out of the box though - I like it. The Qu's Fox "Bill Grey" CostumeIf it was supposed to be a cameo then it would be a clear cameo, not a vague reference to colours. As it stands, Bill Grey seems to be wearing standard Star Fox colours there. Only the yellow scarf really stands out, which isn't enough to go on. Fryguy64's Falco CostumeLook at the colours. In Melee, Falco's wearing a cream-coloured jacket and red clothes. In Brawl he's wearing a white and browny-red clothes, but in his first alt he's wearing a cream-coloured jacket and red clothes. Not a HUGE leap to suggest his first alt is his Melee outfit  The Qu's Wolfen CostumeThis is a good explanation. I'll add it as a suggestion. The Qu's Pokemon Trainer GB CostumeFine, I'll add this as a suggestion. Although you're wrong about the limited colour scheme of the Game Boy Color. The colours changed when you moved from town to town, so unless you're suggesting this is Red's "Pewter City" colours from the original game, then it's an entirely irrelevant point. Teev's Ike Hector CostumeHmm... not close enough for my liking. The Qu's Pink ROBI remain sceptical - to say the least. He hasn't used all the classic console colours - he's used the Famicom and NES. Why that means that has to be the colours of the US-only Super NES has not been answered. Oh, and this alt looks a bit TOO pink... |
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Post by The Qu on Jul 29, 2008 6:14:50 GMT -5
I had forgotten all about Pokemon changing colors from town to town... That was cool. Also, I didn't notice ROB was as pink as he is until you mentioned it.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you going to list the F-Zero X Falcon as? It's not the Super Falcon costume, as it as aspects of the F-Zero X Falcon costume with one from teh Super Falcon suit (yellow shoulder pads).
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 29, 2008 7:09:26 GMT -5
In the original SSB64, the blue costume was simply his Blue Team costume. In SSBM/SSBB this was simply updated to share more in common with the Super Falcon design. So I'm going to list it as a Super Falcon cameo.
Also, because it's a lot more convincing than any of the arguments for "F-Zero X" Falcon, who (for me at least) looks exactly the same as the standard Falcon costume.
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Post by Arcadenik on Jul 29, 2008 8:43:01 GMT -5
I don't know about you but how's Sakurai anti-America? Why would Sakurai NOT use US-only sources for alternate colors, especially R.O.B. and Luigi?
He looks nothing like Sukapon. Sukapon is all pink. R.O.B. looks more like SNES. The dark purple arms give it away and his body looks slightly purple.
Luigi's blue colors looks exactly like in the Mario Bros. NES box art. There's no denying that. Why are we doubting Sakurai would use anything US-only in the game? If he was anti-US, we wouldn't have Sonic.
And why are we being nitpickers when it comes to sepia colors for the characters who originated on the Game Boy? Are they supposed to have the exact shades of Game Boy colors in order to be a direct reference?
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Post by Manspeed on Jul 29, 2008 9:20:28 GMT -5
Man-Frog's Falcon Densetsu CostumeThe thing with the gold shoulder pad and red arms is that they're still covered by the Super Falcon costume. Falcon Legend's costume is still closer to his standard costume. Worth keeping our eyes on animated series though - can't dismiss them out of hand. One problem...  Super Falcon has gold arms and red gloves. Not the other way around, as is the case with anime Falcon...  He also completely lacks a scarf and nipple covers/buttons. While I'm at it, here's something interesting...  Cap's artwork in the second anime-based game shows him with orange arms and red gloves, sorta like an odd mix of game Falcon and Super Falcon. It's also easier to see that he has four buttons on his suit here. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Jul 29, 2008 9:51:37 GMT -5
I don't know about you but how's Sakurai anti-America? Why would Sakurai NOT use US-only sources for alternate colors, especially R.O.B. and Luigi? Luigi's blue colors looks exactly like in the Mario Bros. NES box art. There's no denying that. Why are we doubting Sakurai would use anything US-only in the game? Woah! You're right! That really badly drawn American NES boxart IS EXACTLY THE SAME as Luigi's blue colour scheme! No differences at all!! Woah! I'm sorry I doubted this brilliant idea! I mean... my immediate thought was it was a really stupid idea, considering he's had the colour scheme since SSB64 yet it's not mentioned on the Dojo, and that's not even Luigi on the NES Mario Bros. boxart. But hey! Why WOULDN'T Sakurai base a character's colour scheme on a piece of boxart he's probably never seen in his life!?! What was I thinking!?! If he was anti-US, we wouldn't have Sonic. This is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard come out of your mouth. Yes, this beats the above. YUJI NAKA CREATED SONIC IN JAPAN! SONIC IS POPULAR IN JAPAN!  He looks nothing like Sukapon. Sukapon is all pink. R.O.B. looks more like SNES. The dark purple arms give it away and his body looks slightly purple. Sukapon is not all pink. He has a darker purple navel. The SNES is a much greyer shade. Unless you spraypainted yours to be even more girly? And why are we being nitpickers when it comes to sepia colors for the characters who originated on the Game Boy? Are they supposed to have the exact shades of Game Boy colors in order to be a direct reference? If all suspected Game Boy references were all black & white, or they were all sepia, then I'd be totally sold. But a mix and match of the two? That's where my wariness creeps in. Oh Arcadenik!! I am so glad you're getting involved with this topic! It in no way makes me want to delete it forever!! |
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