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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 13, 2009 1:19:42 GMT -5
Ahhh!!! So my Commanding Officer idea was actually pretty much close to the Wars games. My idea was for Andy (the Red of the Wars franchise) to be in his tank in the background where he would issue orders to a trio of infantry soldiers (who fight like an Ice Climbers team). B - all three soldiers throw their grenads; one very close, one very far, and one not so close but not so far Side B - all three soldiers pull out their bazookas and fire them; if done in the ground, one shoots straight ahead, one shoots diagonally up 45 degrees, one shoots diagonally up 60 degrees; if done in the air, its the same except the third one shoots diagonally down 45 degrees Up B - the hovering helicopter appears on the top of the screen and drops a rope ladder for the soldiers to climb up Down B - all three soldiers fire their machine guns straight ahead; its the best when you have all three soldiers Final Smash - Andy aims with the crosshairs and fires his tank at everyone from the background One soldier alone is very weak. Two soldiers together are balanced. Three soldiers together are very strong. It would be fun to see Captain Rainbow, Takamaru, Little Mac, and Commanding Officer (Infantry & Tanks) in a free-for-all match in Captain Rainbow's stage.  A quick note: I am glad Dark Samus is not playable in Brawl. I do not want Dark Samus playable in Smash because knowing Sakurai's track record with characters who happen to be similar to each other, Dark Samus would just be a clone of Samus.  As for stages, I'm expecting a Wii Sports stage in SSB4. Maybe it could be called Wii Sports Resort. Its the most likely stage that would show up in SSB4. I also would love to see a stage based on many Nintendo toys from the 1950s and 1960s and playing cards from the 1880s. That'd be perfect to pay homage to Nintendo's roots. EDIT: Marth was Japan-only at the time Melee and Brawl came out. He won't be by the time SSB4 comes out. But still, it shouldn't stop SSB4 from having a couple new Japan-only characters. Its not like we want SSB4 to have half the roster be Japan-only! I have Little Mac, Saki Amamiya, Commanding Officer, Captain Rainbow, and Takamaru in my roster. That's five new franchises. |
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Post by Sqrt2 on Feb 13, 2009 5:39:22 GMT -5
Because he's 1. Japan only 2. Unknown outside of Japan 3. NO ONE OUTSIDE JAPAN KNOWS WHO HE IS Marth, now shut up. Except Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (which stars Marth as the protagonist) has been released in the EU (and is shortly to be released in the US). So your example doesn't count, I'm afraid. Ahhh!!! So my Commanding Officer idea was actually pretty much close to the Wars games. My idea was for Andy (the Red of the Wars franchise) to be in his tank in the background where he would issue orders to a trio of infantry soldiers (who fight like an Ice Climbers team). B - all three soldiers fire their machine guns Side B - all three soldiers pull out their bazookas and fire in 180, 6 degrees on ground or in Up B - the hovering helicopter appears on the top of the screen and drops a rope ladder for the soldiers to climb up Down B - all three soldiers fire their machine guns Final Smash - Andy aims with the crosshairs and fires his tank at everyone from the background One soldier alone is very weak. Two soldiers together are balanced. Three soldiers together are very strong. I'd prefer Sami myself, but you've definitely got some good ideas there. |
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 13, 2009 8:03:26 GMT -5
...This is the stupidest and most ridiculous debate I have ever been a part of. Krystal has been playable. Krystal is capable of fighting. Krystal is Fox's love interest. Krystal is a driving point. Krystal is the series Peach, except bigger because she takes on a far more active role in the series. Krystal was never a driving point. Ever. In StarFox Adventures, Fox didn't come to the planet to save her. And he never once said that he was doing any of what he was doing to save "that girl". His driving point was that General Pepper called him and offered him money to save the planet. Krystal was a side objective. Krystal is not the series Peach. Krystal is the series Amy Rose. And if Mario wasn't one of Nintendo's "big three" franchises, do you think Peach would've even gotten in? Of course not. Slippy's actually been demoted to number 4 sidekick after Krystal was introduced because, hello, Krystal was a much more important character, being, you know, a damsel in distress, being playable in her debut (hell, her first EVER sighting was playable,) and being such a hit from the beginning. Slippy didn't hit that mark. Funny, then, that the games continue to mention Slippy before Krystal, always putting her at the end of the list where he used to be when Peppy was around. But Star Fox is still a HUGE series. If Mario games came out as frequently as Star Fox games did, I can assure you that the Mario franchise would be more popular than it already is, because a) there'd be no filler, b) they'd be MUCH better (which says alot), and c) they'd have alot more hype. It's the same thing as the Smash Bros. series: Since Melee came out, everyone was waiting for Brawl because everyone loved Melee and it was going to take a long time to get Brawl. I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. There have been five StarFox games. Ever. There are at least that many Mario games PER YEAR. And Ilia's only appeared in one game. If you're going to be like that then at least pick a character with the same amount of consistancy. From debut on, how many times has Krystal appeared in a mainstream game? Krystal a) has a 1:1 ratio from debut on of mainstream games she's been in and b) has a 1:1 ratio from debut on of mainstream games she's been playable in. She has ALOT more signifigance than Slippy and INFINITELY more signifigance than Ilia. Oh, sorry. I was confused by the fact that the one game Ilia was in sold more that twice as many copies as all of Krystal's games put together. My bad. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 13, 2009 9:47:39 GMT -5
Except Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (which stars Marth as the protagonist) has been released in the EU (and is shortly to be released in the US). So your example doesn't count, I'm afraid. Except when he was originally put into the game, Fire Emblem didn't even exist in the West at all! So you're example doesn't count, I'm afraid. Also: Lucas. ;D |
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 13, 2009 10:49:56 GMT -5
Shut up? That's kind of rude. Marth is a sword character, which Melee was lacking. Nintendo hadn't seemed to release any games in America starring sword characters besides Zelda, and if they had, they must've been so obscure that people had forgotten about 'em. Suddenly, Sakurai remembered Fire Emblem (hurray!). Marth was thrown in and Fire Emblem was soon released everywhere. A happy ending to a mean post. Shut up, again? Take a chill pill man. First of all, Kirby is not weak. He kicks a lot of ass. Second of all. HAL, the company that made Smash Bros., also made Kirby. There's a chance he might not of even been considered had Sakurai not created both series. That also goes for Ness and Captain Falcon. Both from games Sakurai apparently enjoyed. Lucas I'll tolerate because I loooooved Earthbound. |
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 13, 2009 11:14:44 GMT -5
Well Stafy isn't weak either. Have you played a Stafy game?
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Post by Spud on Feb 13, 2009 11:46:07 GMT -5
Kirbychu Wins. Move along.  |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Feb 13, 2009 12:52:40 GMT -5
Well Stafy isn't weak either. Have you played a Stafy game? Forget that, the fact that Stafy was a weak Assist Trophy isn't a valid reason to not make him playable anyway. Light Poké Ball Pokémon can be sent flying, too. And light playable characters are easier to knock off than heavy ones. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 13, 2009 13:17:55 GMT -5
Marth is a sword character, which Melee was lacking. Nintendo hadn't seemed to release any games in America starring sword characters besides Zelda, and if they had, they must've been so obscure that people had forgotten about 'em. Suddenly, Sakurai remembered Fire Emblem (hurray!). Marth was thrown in and Fire Emblem was soon released everywhere. A happy ending to a mean post. That's still no excuse to bash Japanese series when characters like Marth come out of the it. Remember: Marth didn't go international until Melee. The comparison was towards the series. I wasn't saying Kirby is weak, and by the way, neither is Stafy. Stafy as a character is alot like Kirby as a character and Stafy as a series is alot lik Kirby as a series, meaning that using "He's from a kiddy series" is no excuse to dock chances. Although I'll grant you that Sakurai owned the Kirby series, it should be noted that it's a kiddy series represented in the Smash series. That's true, but it's a GREAT way to argue a point because you can get ALOT out of it. You want to debate something? Shut up will get your opponents to throw EVERY point at you. This doesn't excuse my rudeness, but perhaps it explains it. I thought we were done with this debate. |
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Post by kirbychu on Feb 13, 2009 14:12:23 GMT -5
I thought we were done with this debate. Let's leave it there, then. Honestly, the arguments you guys have made have only made us go round and round in circles and remind me just how low this forum's collective IQ has sunk lately. I've noticed that only one or two of the members I actually respect have even posted in here. XD |
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 13, 2009 14:36:09 GMT -5
Well Stafy isn't weak either. Have you played a Stafy game? No, which is why I don't want him playable. At least until someone gives me a valid reason why he would be a good character, but from what I can tell, he won't. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 13, 2009 17:09:51 GMT -5
a) Stafy has a valid moveset from his series.
b) Stafy's series is a hit in Japan.
c) Stafy's series is fairly well known outside Japan, moreso than Fire Emblem was prior to Melee.
d) Stafy's series is becoming a top franchise for release based on numbers at 5 in 7 years, each game being a solid game and without a single spin-off game. It's soon to transition to the generation's home console, a feat that not many handheld franchises accomplish.
There's four.
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Post by Spud on Feb 13, 2009 18:03:53 GMT -5
That's true, but it's a GREAT way to argue a point because you can get ALOT out of it. You want to debate something? Shut up will get your opponents to throw EVERY point at you. This doesn't excuse my rudeness, but perhaps it explains it. ... ... What? (And please stop YELLING at random INTERVALS of YOUR sentence.) |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 13, 2009 18:43:01 GMT -5
I basically said that telling people to shut up is an amazing way to get people to defend their points, because when you sort through the hate you can get some really good arguments. This doesn't excuse my rudeness and I do apologize for it and hope that I explained it.
I was actually using the caps as a stress. I normally use italics, but I was in a hurry.
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Post by Manspeed on Feb 13, 2009 19:02:53 GMT -5
Well Stafy isn't weak either. Have you played a Stafy game? No, which is why I don't want him playable. At least until someone gives me a valid reason why he would be a good character, but from what I can tell, he won't. Couldn't you just track down Visual Boy Advance and a ROM of the Stafy game like I did? |
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