Smash Bros. Rumble - A NinDB Production

[Koopaul]

Feb 13, 2009 14:12:23 GMT -5 kirbychu said:

Let's leave it there, then. Honestly, the arguments you guys have made have only made us go round and round in circles and remind me just how low this forum's collective IQ has sunk lately.

Oh like you were any better ;D

How about we come to an agreement? Once we're done filling up the roster, if there's any room left we'll put Krystal in, is that okay?

TV Eye: Just because you haven't played a game doesn't mean a character is undeserving. Why I never played a Fire Emblem game starring Ike, but I felt he was a very deserving character due to his role in the Fire Emblem series. I never played a Stafy game either, but I realize how popular and loved he is.

[Johans Nidorino]

Feb 13, 2009 20:07:29 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

How about we come to an agreement? Once we're done filling up the roster, if there's any room left we'll put Krystal in, is that okay?

I would probably agree if it were a roster of more than 50 characters.

What I don't get is why only Mewtwo, Takamaru and Little Mac have been added to the list.

[Shrikeswind]

Mostly because I hadn't been paying alot of attention. Sorry about that.

[TV Eye]

Feb 13, 2009 20:07:29 GMT -5 Koopaul said:

I never played a Stafy game either, but I realize how popular and loved he is.

Well, going by sales, he's not too popular. And the Japanese wanted Prof. Kawashima more than him for Brawl, so he couldn't of been loved much.

[Shrikeswind]

By sales maybe, but by the character's actual reception? I really don't see what you have against Stafy.

The Japanese wanted a Hammer Brother more than they wanted Lucas, King Dedede, and Ike. That's not a real good excuse.

[Koopaul]

Well according to that site, Mother 3 actually sold less than Stafy 2. Sales don't persuade me as most buyers today have no idea what's good.

[TV Eye]

Feb 13, 2009 22:37:03 GMT -5 Shrikeswind said:

The Japanese wanted a Hammer Brother more than they wanted Lucas, King Dedede, and Ike. That's not a real good excuse.

Where the hell did you hear that? Here is the poll.

King Dedede (5)
Diddy Kong (4)
Geno (4)
Ike (4)
Ridley (4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin (3)
Krystal (3)
Takamaru (3)
Wind Waker Link (3)
Animal Crossing Human (2)
Claus (2)
DeMille/Demiru(2)
Isaac (2)
Jeff (2)
Kawasima (2)
King K. Rool (2)
Lip (2)
Lucas (2)
Mega Man (2)
Oguma (2)
Ouendan (2)
Sukapon (2)


I don't see a Hammer Bro at all.

[Koopaul]

Hammer Bro. was actually requested once. But I think Shrikeswind is confused.

[Shrikeswind]

Yeah, sorry 'bout that, site I got it from had it out of order. But granted that Krystal is on that list and Wolf isn't, two of my points stand, a) that more people wanted Krystal in than Wolf and b) that just because Kawashima trumped Stafy doesn't mean Kawashima would come first. It's just that the comparison got changed.

[8bitretroshit]

Feb 13, 2009 23:49:28 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

King Dedede (5)
Diddy Kong (4)
Geno (4)
Ike (4)
Ridley (4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin (3)
Krystal (3)
Takamaru (3)
Wind Waker Link (3)
Animal Crossing Human (2)
Claus (2)
DeMille/Demiru(2)
Isaac (2)
Jeff (2)
Kawasima (2)
King K. Rool (2)
Lip (2)
Lucas (2)
Mega Man (2)
Oguma (2)
Ouendan (2)
Sukapon (2)

You know these aren't actual poll results, but a list some dude made of how many times a character got mentioned in Sakurai's Q&A thing. Since they didn't publish every single request e-mail on that website I wouldn't use that list as definite proof of a character's popularity in Japan.

Also for some reason I thought Geno was on top with 5 mentions. Guess I remember wrong.

[Arcadenik]

Okay, after some time planning and reading what I've seen around here and there, I came up with 2 reasonable sound rosters - 10x5 and 9x5. I added in not only the expected characters but also the unexpected characters. Lets start with the 10x5 roster.

The 10x5 roster without the random select is basically what Shrikeswind is looking for in this thread and it took a while to organize characters into groups to fit the 10x5 grid. I hope many of you like it. It has 57 playable characters.

10x5 Roster: Row #1 - Marioverse Franchises
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Toad
5. Bowser
6. Yoshi / Baby Mario
7. Wario / Overalls Wario
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong / Dixie Kong
10. King K. Rool

10x5 Roster: Row #2 - Famicom Disk System Franchises
11. Link
12. Zelda / Sheik
13. Ganondorf
14. Toon Link
15. Tingle
16. Takamaru
17. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
18. Ridley
19. Pit
20. Little Mac

10x5 Roster: Row #3 - Famicom and Handheld Franchises
21. Mr. Game & Watch
22. Hunting Dog
23. Ice Climbers
24. R.O.B.
25. Kirby
26. Meta Knight
27. King Dedede
28. Muddy Mole
29. Isaac
30. Stafy

10x5 Roster: Row #4 - Major RPG/Strategy Franchises
31. Commanding Officer
32. Ness
33. Lucas
34. Marth
35. New Lord
36. Pokemon Trainer - Squirtle / Ivysaur / Charizard
37. Pikachu
38. Jigglypuff
39. Meowth
40. 5th Gen Pokemon

10x5 Roster: Row #5 - Franchises From Other Nintendo Consoles
41. Captain Falcon
42. Samurai Goroh
43. Fox
44. Falco
45. Krystal
46. Wolf
47. Saki Amamiya
48. Olimar
49. Animal Crosser
50. Captain Rainbow

The 9x5 roster with the random select is pretty much the same as the 10x5 roster but with Brawl's way of grouping characters. I suspect many of you might not like it as much as the 10x5 roster but I hope you like it, too. At least it got 51 playable characters, so we still got more than 50 here!

9x5 Roster: Column #1 - Mario Main Series
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Toad
5. Bowser

9x5 Roster: Column #2 - Mario Spin-Off Franchises
6. Donkey Kong
7. Diddy Kong / Dixie Kong
8. King K. Rool
9. Yoshi / Baby Mario
10. Wario / Overalls Wario

9x5 Roster: Column #3 - Zelda Franchises
11. Link
12. Zelda / Sheik
13. Ganondorf
14. Toon Link
15. Tingle

9x5 Roster: Column #4 - Famicom + Disk System Franchises
16. Ice Climbers
17. Takamaru
18. Samus / Zero Suit Samus
19. Pit
20. Little Mac

9x5 Roster: Column #5 - Game Boy + Gamecube Franchises
21. Kirby
22. Meta Knight
23. King Dedede
24. Stafy
25. Olimar

9x5 Roster: Column #6 - SNES + N64 Franchises
26. Fox
27. Falco or Krystal
28. Wolf or Krystal
29. Captain Falcon
30. Saki Amamiya

9x5 Roster: Column #7 - Pokemon Franchises
31. Pokemon Trainer - Squirtle / Ivysaur / Charizard
32. Pikachu
33. Jigglypuff
34. Meowth
35. 5th Gen Pokemon

9x5 Roster: Column #8 - Former Japan-Only RPG Franchises
36. Ness
37. Lucas
38. Marth
39. New Lord
40. Commanding Officer

9x5 Roster: Column #9 - WTF Characters
41. Mr. Game & Watch
42. R.O.B.
43. Hunting Dog
44. Captain Rainbow
45. Random

[Manspeed]

57? Why such an odd number?

Using the layout of the character select screen as a guideline is a bad idea, as has been stated before, and it's pretty obvious that you threw a bunch of characters that only you wanted in there, rather than those who were wanted universally (Overalls Wario, my ass).

That's just not the way to create a suppoedly perfect roster, which I honestly think is impossible at this point. It's Sakurai's (or whoever's making the next game) or nothin'.

[Arcadenik]

57 is an odd number yet 39 wasn't? And the grid was a bad idea? That's what SSB64, Melee, and Brawl has been doing. All of the characters are grouped together. And doing so makes the select screen look professional - clean and organized.

You said yourself that its impossible to make the perfect roster. I tried to make a good roster that I thought would make many people happy (including myself). I mean, many people hated the Melee and Brawl rosters when they were finally revealed but eventually grew to love them. I don't doubt that if the SSB4 roster is revealed, many people would hate it and say Brawl was way better than Melee, just like they said Melee was way better than Brawl.

[Flip]

Ehhh..... Who is CO? Just any one that is out at the time, as in from the most recent game?

Also Diddy and Dixie must be separate. Diddy does not need Dixie ruining his game, and vice versa.

[TV Eye]

Hey Flip, when did you hit the 2,000 post mark? That's awesome!