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Post by Koopaul on Feb 19, 2009 10:41:21 GMT -5
Well, you have a "Fire Mario" color scheme and he's still called Mario. Or a Dark Link too.
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Post by Spud on Feb 19, 2009 10:47:15 GMT -5
Even then, it would still be weird seeing Dr.Mario billed as just "Mario" on the screen and using Fireballs and FLUDD as part of his moveset. How many times must I repeat myself?  Your assuming they'll use a similar system for altcostumes in the next game. A safe assumption, but by no means 100%. If they set it up to where each costume could point to different sounds, modals, textures, ect. You have the same character with major cosmetic changes. Possibly Even point it to a new name banner for the result screens too. |
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 19, 2009 10:51:01 GMT -5
Man-Frog, how do you think it'd be weird to see Dr. Mario with FLUDD, but not overalls Wario on a motorcycle or as switching to WarioMan? It's the same thing. Two characters that are the same but with a different occupation and outfit.
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Post by Koopaul on Feb 19, 2009 11:13:05 GMT -5
Right, and it's the best way to satisfy Dr. Mario fans.
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Post by Flip on Feb 19, 2009 11:49:57 GMT -5
The addition of FLUDD was probably meant to take Mario further from Dr. Mario. The only reason Doc was added anyway was to beef up Melee's roster. If you think about it, the clone characters only existed for that purpose. They probably figured Mario's moveset was generic enough to graft another character on no problem, hence Dr. Mario. It just so happened that they were able to squeeze in Falco and Ganon as well, who were high-requested characters. If you think about the other clones they really were what Doc was: filler.
Mewtwo, of course, was 100% unique. That's why I'm personally more pissed about his loss than Roy's. That was uncalled for.
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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 19, 2009 12:06:38 GMT -5
I always thought that Wario should be the only one who has an alternate costume based on his Wario Land overalls and that it should come with a whole new moveset entirely based off Wario Land transformations. That way, Wario wearing his default WarioWare outfit would use the same moveset from Brawl while wearing his alternate Wario Land outfit grants him a whole new moveset. Wario is still called Wario in either outfit. And Wario can really represent both WarioWare and Wario Land in SSB4 as opposed to only WarioWare in Brawl, with the Wario Land outfit as an afterthought. Mario is called Dr. Mario when he wears the doctor outfit. Now, about Fire Mario as one of Mario's color swaps, its just that... a color swap. I never understood the logic of many people on Smash Board regarding alternate costumes. Mario's alternate costumes are Dr. Mario and Paper Mario Luigi's alternate costume is Mr. L Link's alternate costume is Dark Link, even though he already as a color swap based on Dark Link, this alternate costume would somehow give Link a new moveset or stats.  Samus's alternate costume is Dark Samus Ness's alternate costume is Paula Lucas's alternate costume is Kumatora Peach's alternate costume is Daisy Daisy has no alternate costumes even though she and Peach's Daisy alternate costume are two different characters in the same game. It reaches the point where people are desperate for having too many characters in the game that they have to add in so many alternate costumes with new movesets to nearly half of the roster. There has to be a limit somewhere, who else better than Wario himself? At least Wario's alternate costume is still Wario. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Feb 19, 2009 12:15:39 GMT -5
Except that a Mr. L costume is viable, but only as a recolor.
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Post by Manspeed on Feb 19, 2009 13:26:55 GMT -5
Man-Frog, how do you think it'd be weird to see Dr. Mario with FLUDD, but not overalls Wario on a motorcycle or as switching to WarioMan? It's the same thing. Two characters that are the same but with a different occupation and outfit. But Wario is Wario no matter what he's waring...er.. wearing. It's not like they've made it clear that there's a "Wario Land Wario" and a "WarioWare Wario" He's just Wario, so the motorcycle isn't weird at all. As for other alternate costumes, those are just palette swaps. If they actually went out of their way to change the shapes, sounds and moves of the character, then it's going beyond "costume" territory and into the realms of an alternate character entirely. |
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Post by BeamClaws on Feb 19, 2009 13:37:58 GMT -5
Mario's alternate costume is Paper Mario Ness's alternate costume is Paula Lucas's alternate costume is Kumatora Wait wha? How the heck would these work? |
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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 19, 2009 14:12:41 GMT -5
I don't know. Flatten Mario into Paper Mario and give Ness Paula's pans instead of baseballs or something equally stupid. Like I said before, I never understood their logic. |
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 19, 2009 14:29:15 GMT -5
But Wario is Wario no matter what he's waring...er.. wearing. It's not like they've made it clear that there's a "Wario Land Wario" and a "WarioWare Wario" He's just Wario, so the motorcycle isn't weird at all. But...does that mean you're saying Dr. Mario isn't Mario?  |
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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 19, 2009 14:48:47 GMT -5
Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor's outfit. The difference is the name change. Though Samus is just Zero Suit Smaus in a Power Suit, the names are different. Its weird but at least she isn't wasting a whole character slot on the roster. This is why I'm supporting Wario's alternate costume (Wario in overalls) as an alternate character for SSB4. At least the Wario franchise gets two reps (one for WarioWare and one for Wario Land) for the price of one character slot. Besides Wario himself is the only Wario character who deserves a spot in the roster, not Mona, not Ashley, not Kat & Ana, not 9-Volt, and certainly not Captain Syrup. |
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Post by Manspeed on Feb 19, 2009 14:55:03 GMT -5
Dr. Mario is technically Mario, but he has his own name, abilities and subseries of games. Wario is Wario no matter where he is, and until they explicitly make some sort of distinction between "Wario wearing overalls" and "Wario wearing a biker's getup", then there's no reason to treat him as two different characters with two different movesets.
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Post by Arcadenik on Feb 19, 2009 15:19:29 GMT -5
Zero Suit Samus is the same person as Samus yet she's treated as a whole different character with a different moveset from regular Samus. So why can't Wario get Wario Land-based moves to go with his overalls alternate costume?
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Post by TV Eye on Feb 19, 2009 15:53:51 GMT -5
Dr. Mario is technically Mario, but he has his own name, abilities and subseries of games. Wario is Wario no matter where he is, and until they explicitly make some sort of distinction between "Wario wearing overalls" and "Wario wearing a biker's getup", then there's no reason to treat him as two different characters with two different movesets. Wait...so now you're saying Dr. Mario has a different name than Mario? How is "Mario" a different name than "Mario"? Also, both the Wario's each have their own series and subseries of games as well, so what are you trying to say? Hell, WarioWare Wario might as well be a completely different Wario! When has Mario been in a Warioware game aside from minigames? Nowhere, yet Wario has been featured in Dr. Mario games, as has Luigi and Peach. Hell, each Wario even lives in a completely different area! So, yeah. Your posts are reeeeeeally confusing. |
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