Smash Bros. Rumble - A NinDB Production

[Johans Nidorino]

Feb 25, 2009 22:47:46 GMT -5 Manspeed said:

I think it's getting a bit ridiculous now with trying to make things that aren't even characters playable. Come on guys, we have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Well, we would get to them eventually, and they have appeared in Smash and can continue. And Shrikeswind hasn't updated his list yet.

Feb 25, 2009 22:54:16 GMT -5 Arcadenik said:

Though the name "Zapper" would imply a playable Zapper Light Gun or Wii Zapper when you mention it to other people. LOL

There's the beauty of it!

As stages I'd prefer one single Zapper game. Just like the 75m stage. As an item, well, a Can from Trick Shot. As the logo, the NES Zapper.

For a Game Boy stage, I would imagine a Super Mario Land layout as one of multiple layouts that could be loaded before entering the stage (each belonging to one classic Game Boy game).

[Arcadenik]

A can? What does it do? You just throw it around like Samus's discarded Power Suit? It doesn't sound very original, I think. How about Zapper Light Gun itself as an item? It could be an overpowered version of the Ray Gun where you have only three shots... but each shot can really KO your opponent off the stage... so make them count.

The Zapper as the world icon sounds good, I thought that the dog could have the duck as his world icon but the Zapper works out too. The Zapper world icon would fit well with my stage idea of Hogan's Alley cardboard cutouts, the Wild Gunman, and Mr. Stevenson (Gumshoe) appearing in a duck hunting range.

I think Shrikeswind haven't updated the list yet because many of the other characters suggested here are debatable and questionable.

[Shrikeswind]

Hey, Johans, via a string of events that started with me looking to see if Gameboy posted any ideas on SBL, I was reminded of four facts.

1) Your Tetra idea pwned.
2) I totally called sticky objects!
3) I totally called the choice in DK Construction Sites! HA!
4) If it becomes more mainstay in the future, do you think this idea by Kriven could happen?

EDIT: DUDE, I REMEMBER THE TRICK SHOT CAN! It's actually on my site, here.


And yeah, that IS why I haven't updated the list in a while: Controversy.

[Johans Nidorino]

Feb 25, 2009 23:19:48 GMT -5 Shrikeswind said:

Hey, Johans, via a string of events that started with me looking to see if Gameboy posted any ideas on SBL, I was reminded of four facts.

1) Your Tetra idea pwned.
2) I totally called sticky objects!
3) I totally called the choice in DK Construction Sites! HA!
4) If it becomes more mainstay in the future, do you think this idea by Kriven could happen?

1. I'm still not that fond of it because it kinda cloned Sheik.
2. The Phanto & Key item! You should post it in the other thread.
3. Stage sucks in Brawl playability-wise ^_^'
4. I have that game, but haven't opened the box yet.

Feb 25, 2009 23:18:16 GMT -5 Arcadenik said:

A can? What does it do? You just throw it around like Samus's discarded Power Suit? It doesn't sound very original, I think. How about Zapper Light Gun itself as an item? It could be an overpowered version of the Ray Gun where you have only three shots... but each shot can really KO your opponent off the stage... so make them count.

The Zapper as the world icon sounds good, I thought that the dog could have the duck as his world icon but the Zapper works out too. The Zapper world icon would fit well with my stage idea of Hogan's Alley cardboard cutouts, the Wild Gunman, and Mr. Stevenson (Gumshoe) appearing in a duck hunting range.

I envisioned the can as one that would be shot by an unnamed Zapper user when the can is thrown at a foe. Random idea actually.

But yeah, I'm glad you like the Zapper icon idea. I think it's important to emphasize on the Zapper because that's the reason why Duck Hunt is special, and much like a Mr. Game & Watch bell or a R.O.B. disk, it represents more than just a game.

[TV Eye]

DS as playabuh cher'kter, e'rybody!

In all seriousness, saying "Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. were in Brawl, so it could be possible more characters like them blah blah blah" is not really a good excuse to validate retarded character ideas. Diskun? C'mon.

This is not directed at anyone in particular, so don't get all defensive.

Mr. Game & Watch has been in more games than Mario (maybe, maybe not. I don't want to count) so it only makes sense he was included as a character in Melee (and of course, Brawl). And R.O.B.? Brawl isn't his first out of character playable experience.

I know what you're all gonna say, ("Hey, man. We're just posting ideas, give us a break, man!") so don't bother. I'm just trying to say that no matter how out there your ideas are, wouldn't it be funner to talk about a character that might actually have a chance in a new game?

[Shrikeswind]

Yeah, he's right, that IS what I made this thread for. On home turf I wouldn't accept that post.

Actually, Mr. G&W was added because he was pretty much the inventor of a system-type, the hand-held, and was owned by Nintendo.

A viable character? I see it best in Sukapon, really. I'd normally post a link to my site here, but I don't know if I'd upset Parrothead doing so, as it WAS his idea.

[Arcadenik]

Hmmm... I'm seeing a pattern now... the Ice Climbers represent the Famicom games (such as Balloon Fight, Clu Clu Land, Excitebike, Urban Champion, etc.), Mr. Game & Watch represents the Game & Watch games, R.O.B. represents R.O.B. games (only 2 of them), so it would make sense for the Duck Hunt dog to represent the Zapper games (such as Hogan's Alley, Wild Gunman, Gumshoe, etc.). I mean, Duck Hunt is the most recognizable and most popular Zapper game. It was even bundled with the NES and Super Mario Bros.!

Diskun could easily represent the Famicom Disk System games if he wasn't severely physically limited, you know. But that's okay, we can always get two more FDS reps with Takamaru and Little Mac in addition to Link, Samus, and Pit. Diskun still could work best as a boss like I suggested before.

Edit: I remember someone posted a link some time ago that showed Sakurai saying Sukapon would never be playable in Smash ever. Don't anyone remember that one?

[Johans Nidorino]

Feb 25, 2009 23:36:26 GMT -5 TV Eye said:

Mr. Game & Watch has been in more games than Mario (maybe, maybe not. I don't want to count) so it only makes sense he was included as a character in Melee (and of course, Brawl). And R.O.B.? Brawl isn't his first out of character playable experience.

It was more about their roots, not them having never been playable. And it has been stated more than once in this message board that several of us see in Mr. Game & Watch an amalgamation of Game & Watch characters and not a single one.

Ok, Shrikeswind, I don't think Tingle or Samurai Goroh Ghorghor have produced too much controversy in this thread.

[Arcadenik]

Samurai Goroh (and Black Shadow), not so much controversy but its usually about whether F-Zero deserves one or two reps.

Tingle, well... he's Tingle so of course controversy follows him around. You either love him or you hate him.

Krystal, well, the controversy is usually about how she is blamed for yiffing the Star Fox franchise to doom and whether it deserves three or four reps.

Ridley still stirs some controversy from time to time, especially when his size is brought up.

Stafy has some controversy but its usually about the fact he's Japan-only.

Toad, Bowser Jr., and Dr. Mario... debates go around and around about who should be the 5th Mario rep. Personally, I'd go for Toad.

And lets not get into Pokemon.

[Shrikeswind]

Pokemon doesn't seem like it should be too hard, since there are alot of non-controversial Pokemon like Meowth, but then you realize that the fact that there are so many non-controversial Pokemon that it stirs controversy itself.

Anyways, next edit on the way. It will feature Goroh, Tingle, and Stafy. Krystal, Ridley, and Mario Rep-5 will be left open and I won't add more reps than 5 until it's certain that more reps are possible.

[rukifellth]

Feb 25, 2009 17:46:54 GMT -5 Manspeed said:

There's no way in hell they're putting a boss character from a Mario spin-off in the next Smash Bros. Good try on the moveset though.

Hmmm, I don't really understand why that would'nt work really. They got trophies from SPM and all that, and that it would be unlikely to put in a "boss" is also rather odd, we got characters like Bowser, Ganondorf and Dedede right? Aren't they usually bosses?

Anyways, another character idea is a Japan only character that I have babbled about for a long time.

DeMille from "Tomato Adventure" (Or Mato Adventure as some prefer to call it)...

It is a rather obscure RPG made by AlphaDreams before their famous Mario&Luigi RPG series. Infact, the engine used in M&L is same as Tomato Adventure. So I think Demille deserve some credit

As for his abilities, there are LOTS of ideas for abilities and attacks, considering that the game featured over 20 weapons for each character! Ranging from cog yoyo's to sneaker cars, mini-volcanoes, magnetic gloves, croc hookshots, and lots lots more...

Offcourse this makes finding good ideas for his Special abilities difficult, buuuuuut, Ricepigeon did have some interesting ideas on abilities which inspired me:

Standard A: Cog YoYo- he will use his trademark weapon, the cog yoyo to do some nasty combos on you...

Forward A: K-WoofWoof- he get's a pair of boxing gloves and does a powerfull punch/Kick COmbo with the final kick launching the oppoent.

Up A: Upwards CogYoYo- he makes a swing with his cogyoyo upwards...

Down A: Tail BunBun- he uses a Tanooki tail to spin around, hitting low enemies (simhilair to the Tanooki spin in SMB3)...

Running A: Tail BunBun Spinner- he uses the Tanooki tail again, but this time spinning in the direction he's running...

Forward Smash: Rolling Riceball- Demille summons a big stone riceball which he uses to smash the opponent. A bít like Charizard's RockSmash...

Up Smash: Angry Volcano- he holds a mini volcano above his head in a protective stance while charging the attack, when it attacks, it will blast out a small ray of fire from it's crater, hitting anyone above Demille...

Down Smash: Noisy Face- he pick ups a club with a ball attached to it which he swings up and smashes it down on the floor causing a small tremor and huge damage on the one hit by the attack...

Intro: He appears in a sneacar, jumps out of it, and the sneacar drives away...

Air A: Aerial CogYoYo- Same yoyo attacj but in the air...

Air Forward A: King Meow- He does a cross shaped Slashing move based on one of his weapons...

Air Up A: BiteBite- Demille uses a croc looking uh... scissor? To chomp the opponent, aiming it above his head...

Air Down A: KamiKami- He uses a big paper crane which he smacks down on the opponent bellow him...

Air Back A: RevengeDragon- A tiny purple lizard with a tiny scythe appears on Demille's back and spews fire at the oppoent behind Demille...

Throws: Pyramet, all throws involves him using a special Pyramid hat to psychically throw the opponent in a desired direction. Will look something like Mewtwo's throws...

Standard B: Crayon Artillery- It's actually a weapon used by his friend Aretha, but what the heck, Ness & Lucas also borrowed someone else's powers . Demille uses a special backpack which he charge (like Samus' Blast, or Lucarios Orb) and finally launch several semi homing crayon missiles, more according to how long he charged the attack...

Forward B: Bananasnowboard- Demille summons a huge banana and rides up on it like a snowboard. if he hits someone or something, then he will leap in the air with the banana. Note that while sliding on the banana, he can turn it to face the direction he wants, a bit like Wario's bike...

Up B: JetBoard- It's actually from a minigame, but it does work. Something like ROB's jetpack ability, Demille uses a hover board to ascend up, but like ROB's jetpack, it will lose fuel after a while. BUT, the flames caused by the Jetboard can toast anyone beneath it...

Down B: MagnetGloves- He uses a pair of magnetic gloves to create a boulder of junk that he then can throw like a box item...

FINALSMASH idea1: Gulp Choco- he picksup a big block of chocolate, waking the interest of a huge Frog Like Pacman esque thing that chases him down across the entire level from left to right, up and down in a random manner...

FINALSMASH idea2: Patharan's Song- Demille picks up a small recorder which plays a cute song which ends up causing a bolt of light to hit Demille, and elctrifying him. During a set period of time, he will be invincible, and anyone touching him will suffer damage from the electricity, that and he deals more damage now...

Taunts: One of his taunts would have him raise his hand up in the air in a triumphant way. Another taunt would be him looking very very confused (like he does in the game), the final one would have him playing with his Cog YoYo...

Winposes: His first win pose would involve him doing the same victory pose like in the original game, ie: He jumps in a joyfull manner...

His second winpose would involve him showing off some tricks with his CogYoYo which accidently ensares himself and causes him to fall... (clumsy idiot)

As for his lose pose, he would stand in the background doing angry chestures. Waving his arms angrily, blah blah blah...

Confused? It's only natural I guess, it's a rather obscure game after all. XD

But to help out, I'm gonna show you three videos made by Ricepigeon, showcasing some of the attacks in the original game:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2XnxI04MhM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf_dn1OfmIc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wu_uDw788g

Oh, and as for his appearence, his official design is this:


But I got an idea on how to style him up more... Sakurai style...



And finally, as for his theme, I was thinking of a remake of his Battle theme in a Surfing Guitar fasion...

Please give me your opinion about this, personally, I think this would work very well.

[kirbychu]

Sakurai style? That looks more Kingdom Hearts style to me. XD

Pit was the exception, not the rule. If DeMille was put into the next game, I don't see any reason they'd change his design. All they did for everyone else was make them a little more detailed, their design remained the same.

[Manspeed]

On the subject of the Zapper:
I always figured that the Ray Gun should've been skinned as a Zapper entirely just to match up with the Super Scope. Then the Beam Sword could be replaced by a Wii Remote lightsaber! ;D

I don't why you insist on having a playable Zapper rep in the next SSB Arcadenik. It seems to me that you just want to see your Dog idea get in reeeeeeally badly. We already have several reps for each of the main systems. The only thing missing is a Virtual Boy rep (preferably Harry from Teleroboxer), but even then that's not necessary due to how universally loathed the VB is (but I like it ).

I honestly think that if any character were to represent the Zapper, it should be Stevenson from Gumshoe, but he's West-only.

Hmmm, I don't really understand why that would'nt work really. They got trophies from SPM and all that, and that it would be unlikely to put in a "boss" is also rather odd, we got characters like Bowser, Ganondorf and Dedede right? Aren't they usually bosses?

Yes, but they're THE bosses of their respective series. We don't need another Mario boss if we already have Bowser, especially not one that appeared a grand total of... once.

[Koopaul]

Yes but the Zapper look different in Japan. It looks like a real gun. There may be issues.

As for DeMille, I'd say they'd just make his clothes more detailed. Maybe add bottoms to his shoes and pockets to his pants.

[Manspeed]

Maybe that's why we haven't seen it in SSB yet.

Then again, the giant ROB in 9-Volt's boss stage in WarioWare Smooth Moves had a Zapper for a weapon, and all they did was just remodel it to look like the orange US Zapper when they localized the game.