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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 3, 2009 20:52:00 GMT -5
I have nothing to admit. Its no secret to everyone here that I would like them playable.  Tell me... can Sakurai speak for everyone in the world? I don't think he can if his decisions to include/exclude certain characters make many people upset/angry/disappointed when Melee and Brawl's final rosters were finally revealed. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 3, 2009 21:03:56 GMT -5
First off, I'd like to ask that we all relax. I remember making this to be a civil thread. Second off... But, may I ask why Toad MUST, be in? He's already in the game as Peach's B move! I think the reason they did that was because they simply could'nt come up with anything for Toad to fight with. And if he did, what the heck would happen to Peach's B move? I've worked out a way to fix that: Peach uses the EXACT SAME MOVE, but rather than use Toad, she uses a heart like the spin-offs seem insistant on giving her. It honestly makes sense to me, and after Super Princess Peach, it's even more viable since that game legitimized her use of hearts as attacks. |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Mar 3, 2009 21:43:21 GMT -5
Honestly, SSB4 just need all the "big 8" - not SSB's big 8, no, I meant Mario's big 8. Nintendo makes so many Mario's spin-offs because they sell. That's why I think it would be appropriate to reflect all these spin-offs with the original cast: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Wario, and Toad. Didn't we already discuss that Wario, Yoshi and Mario could be seen as a group? Keeping that in mind, you could as well add a third DK character instead. As far the Donkey Kong series is concerned, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, and King K. Rool are the iconic characters - its because they are the stars of the popular Donkey Kong Country trilogy. However, Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong should be teamed up together just like in Donkey Kong Country 2 like I strongly believe Sakurai intended them to be. I noticed that no one gave a good explanation just how Dixie would ruin Diddy. The only explanation I got sounds like a typical fear of change. Dixie shouldn't be teamed with Diddy because it would mean we have to relearn how to play Diddy. This is not a good reason if it is based on fear of change. We all had to relearn how to play all the veterans in Brawl because they did not play the same as they did in Melee... so it does not matter whether Dixie is teamed with Diddy or not, we still would have to relearn how to play Diddy in SSB4 anyway. About Diddy and Dixie, I was always opposed to the idea of Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong teamed up, because the three pairs of Kongs in DKC were able to do that. The only special thing about the Diddy & Dixie couple is that they are the same height and they are boyfriend & girlfriend, but that's all, and the Kongs being teamed up is not totally essential to clear their games (except for the 100% scores and above). That and they can do their own moves. And that lost data in Brawl doesn't change my mind. Also, if the idea existed, it was considered and given up for a reason. Not just "considered". About Wario, Nintendo treats WarioWare's Wario and Wario Land's (and Marioverse's) Wario as two identical yet distinct individuals. What better way to reflect that by giving Wario both WarioWare and Wario Land costumes with different movesets? I believe Wario is the best character who can represent both WarioWare and Wario Land rather than having obscure Wario characters like Captain Syrup and Ashley playable. Well, it's Brawl that split the Warios to that degree and not Nintendo as a whole. In WarioWare there was an enough amount of Wario's features from previous appearances to consider blending them into one. That even includes Vampire Wario in WarioWare outfit, and Wario doing this.  That you want about two Warios is only feasible because Brawl already separated them to a degree. I won't omit the fact that I like the idea of a versatile character whose abilities change depending on how the character gets damaged. That would be new, and innovative characters are necessary. Wario may be already busy with his WarioWare theme, but it is a different idea that could work. Also, guys, didn't we agree we would stop talking about Mr. Game & Watch-like characters? If we're considering the dog as one, then let's forget about him in this thread. If you need my help in making it more sensible, let's do it in another thread. I also don't think the dog and Diskun should appear in the voting lists, for the same reason. So let's not exalt or smite them. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 3, 2009 22:46:48 GMT -5
Man-Frog is 100% right! My roster reflects my opinion and only my opinion, no one else. I'm the only one who wants Toad, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Tingle, Takamaru, Little Mac, Starfy, Saki Amamiya, 5th Gen Pokemon, New FE Lord, Commanding Officer, and Hunting Dog. No one wants any of them in except me. Seriously though, a second look at my roster would indicate that the only characters who twist many panties over are Toad, Commanding Officer, and especially Hunting Dog... 3 characters out of 12 characters. 9 most wanted characters and 3 least wanted characters... that isn't so bad. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 3, 2009 23:12:12 GMT -5
Man-Frog is 100% right! My roster reflects my opinion and only my opinion, no one else. I'm the only one who wants Toad, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Tingle, Takamaru, Little Mac, Starfy, Saki Amamiya, 5th Gen Pokemon, New FE Lord, Commanding Officer, and Hunting Dog. Toad, Dixie, K. Rool, Tingle, Takamaru, Little Mac, Stafy, and Saki I'll back you on because they are major enough, but you suggested some ideas with some of these guys that are incredibly opinion only, like Diddy / Dixie. Dixie can play by herself, she's shown herself to be quite capable of such a thing, likewise, Diddy can play by himself. I'm personally of the opinion that we should not deal with the future until we know what it holds, so I would never have suggested Lucario until he existed. Same applies to the FE Lord. Commanding Officer and Hunting Dog are my biggest concerns, because your Commanding Officer idea seems kinda strange, and Hunting Dog is BY FAR your opinion, because NOBODY recognizes him anymore, much less care, and further, he wouldn't represent the Zapper that great. If anyone, I'd opt for Wild Gunman. At least he uses his gun. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 3, 2009 23:51:37 GMT -5
Nobody knows who Hunting Dog is? Are you serious, Shrikeswind? Duck Hunt was bundled with the NES and that's why almost everyone who ever owned the NES know who Hunting Dog is to this day. Duck Hunt is synomyous with the Zapper, not Wild Gunman. Wild Gunman would be the best Zapper representative because he uses a gun? Maybe but he's too obscure compared to Hunting Dog. If Hunting Dog is obscure now, just imagine how obscure Wild Gunman is now. I can imagine people saying "uhh... who?" when they see Wild Gunman playable. Not so with Hunting Dog, it would be "WTF! The dog from Duck Hunt is playable?" I know I reacted that way when I heard that R.O.B. was confirmed during the leak after Brawl was released in Japan. On that thought, would anyone support R.O.B. for SSB3 if I suggested a playable R.O.B.? I really doubt it.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on Mar 4, 2009 0:07:10 GMT -5
On that thought, would anyone support R.O.B. for SSB3 if I suggested a playable R.O.B.? I really doubt it. Wrong. Read this thread. Of course, you were too busy with your proposals to notice that. |
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Post by Shrikeswind on Mar 4, 2009 1:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2009 7:38:22 GMT -5
Toad, Dixie, K. Rool, Tingle, Takamaru, Little Mac, Stafy, and Saki I'll back you on because they are major enough... Whoa whoa whoa... Please tell me how Tingle, Takamaru, Saki, and Stafy are major? Okay, Stafy I'll give you, but those others are so obscure, that...I dunno. Though if you mean major in the sense of main character, why is Toad and Tingle on your list? Please, enlighten me... |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 4, 2009 8:02:02 GMT -5
Johans, I cannot help how I feel about the subject. I have always been a big supporter for a playable Duck Hunt dog since Melee. I just love the very idea... its very original. The bush as camoflague, the hunter shooting from the fourth wall, clay pigeons and ducks, and his legendary laugh. It isn't my fault Nintendo came up with such a bold character - he can laugh at a shooter holding a gun without fear of getting shot because he knows they cannot do anything about it. I defend him with points such as being synonymous with the Zapper, the significance of the Zapper in Nintendo's history, being one of the most recognizable NES icons, how he could work as a playable character to convince people. The points commonly used against him are how obscure he is, how he never fought before, how the Zapper does not need a character. I simply cannot conform and label the dog an AT material like the majority likes to do. My heart speaks against it. I'm sorry.  |
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Post by kirbychu on Mar 4, 2009 9:27:49 GMT -5
Whoa whoa whoa... Please tell me how Tingle, Takamaru, Saki, and Stafy are major? Okay, Stafy I'll give you, but those others are so obscure, that...I dunno. Though if you mean major in the sense of main character, why is Toad and Tingle on your list? Please, enlighten me... Tingle is pretty major... Pretty much everyone has heard of him, anyway. |
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 4, 2009 9:50:57 GMT -5
Not just that but Tingle is even the main character of his own games. Tingle's Rupeeland (don't remember the exact name but you get the idea) and Tingle's Balloon Fight (this is main the reason why I think Tingle would have worked better than Balloon Fighter).
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Post by TV Eye on Mar 4, 2009 9:57:20 GMT -5
Yes, but Tingle's never had his own game in America. American's only know Tingle as the gay elf man from Wind Waker (or Majora's Mask, but that game wasn't as popular as it should have been).
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Post by Arcadenik on Mar 4, 2009 10:42:24 GMT -5
I know, I know... but he's the only logical next choice in the Zelda franchise. But being Japan-only shouldn't prevent characters from established franchises from becoming playable. I mean, Marth and Roy came from an established RPG franchise with about 5 games out (at the time) and Lucas came from Mother 3, the third game in the popular Mother/Earthbound games. For this reason, Starfy is definitely starting to become one of Nintendo's established franchises so there's a good chance Starfy will be playable. Anyway, back to Tingle, he would definitely be a better Balloon Fighter than the generic one. If Sakurai still wants a playable Balloon Fighter, Tingle is the best option as he has stuff to work with, unlike the Balloon Fighter like Sakurai said in the Ice Climbers' profile on the Melee website. About Japan-only characters, I think it might be reasonable to have characters from popular Japan-only games playable as opposed to obscure Japan-only games. Takamaru faces this problem but I am positive things will work out well for him somehow. I also think its safe to say Sukapon is out. I remember reading Flip's (I think that was his thread) thread about translated Sakurai's comments where he posted a link that showed Sakurai telling some fans not to expect Sukapon in Smash Bros. It was from that same thread where Sakurai said he would put Takamaru in if he has a new game out. Oh, and in that same thread, he told some fan that comparing Jigglypuff to Mr. Saturn is moot because Mr. Saturn doesn't have limbs (and that's why I don't think Diskun will ever be playable ). |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Mar 4, 2009 10:42:28 GMT -5
Looks like you're all just making this discussion even worse than it already was from the beginning.  |
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