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Post by Yamato.EXE V2 on May 14, 2009 9:16:47 GMT -5
I quite like that Gold design. Of all the male trainers we've had so far, he looks the most like a person. I'm perfectly happy not having Officer Jenny Jr. Kris in the game. I believed that Kris is Okido/Oak's assistant by that time, I missed playing as Kris already. C'mon Kris is the best catcher in the story. I hope that we can do a double battle with Wataru/Lance against the Rocket Executives at the Neo Rocket Hideout before knocking out six Electrodes. I wonder what would Yamamoto Satoshi do next for the new Jotho saga after Platinum. |
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Post by kirbychu on May 14, 2009 11:03:58 GMT -5
Were people idiots for buying the Mario Advanced games? I know I was. But even they had a bunch of new additions and changes, so... I'm not sure what your point is. I believed that Kris is Okido/Oak's assistant by that time, I missed playing as Kris already. C'mon Kris is the best catcher in the story. I'm guessing you're talking about the manga? I don't read it. To me she's a random trainer design who only appeared in a game I didn't bother buying, or the least tolerable of the anime protagonists. So I couldn't care less about her. But she is notable in my mind for being the only playable trainer with weirder hair than May's. Seriously, what is that about?  |
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 14, 2009 12:55:57 GMT -5
She's notable in general for being the first playable female trainer in the main Pokemon series. There's something to gnaw on.
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Post by kirbychu on May 14, 2009 13:43:12 GMT -5
I've never played as a female trainer, and she doesn't show up in the game unless you play as her. So to me, first or not, she wasn't notable. |
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Post by Flip on May 14, 2009 15:11:26 GMT -5
I'd put money on the Power Plant being the "strong magnetic force" needed to get Magnezone and Probopass. I think we've mentioned this before, but also Ice Rock for Ice Path and Moss Rock for Ilex Forest, yes?
Probably won't get new forms until National Dex, but once you do get it you can manage rematches AND new areas that contain the newer forms and missing 3rd/4th gen 'mons.
Sevii Islands WILL appear. That's my other prediction. They would have to have it if they're still using both Johto AND Kanto AND want to embellish the tale of Silver, right?
Whirlpool will either replace Rock Climb or just become some untradeable HM/TM. Maybe.
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Post by Johans Nidorino on May 14, 2009 18:06:42 GMT -5
The Power Plant thing makes sense. It empowers the "Magnet Train", remember?
I'm not so sure about Sevii Islands, though. Sure, there's where Silver was hinted, and more importantly, the radio signal plot began to be planned, but that can be assumed to be years before as well. Plus if the theory that the appearance of the birds in Platinum means they moved from Kanto is true, there wouldn't be much of a point for the existence of Mt. Ember. Not to mention we'll see the original home of the Unown.
Also, wouldn't it be cool if all second-generation Pokémon were obtainable in Johto? You know, including Murkrow, Houndour and Slugma, which only appeared in "Kanto 2" before.
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Post by Koopaul on May 14, 2009 20:32:26 GMT -5
Were people idiots for buying the Mario Advanced games? I know I was. But even they had a bunch of new additions and changes, so... I'm not sure what your point is. The game didn't have that many changes, it had better graphics/sound, and a save function. Oh, and Yoshi Egg hunt. That's about it. Anyway, my point is a polished up classic game is still as good as a new one in my opinion. Also consider the young generation of gamers who never got a chance to play those games before. Heheh, imagine the youngsters who never got a chance to play Gold and Silver. This is a whole new game for them! |
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 14, 2009 22:06:33 GMT -5
Indeed. I know from experience, having had the displeasure of missing this generation.
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 15, 2009 5:32:15 GMT -5
Remaking games - is it really any different to re-releasing an old, 10 or 20 year old movie on DVD with special features? Just because you remember when it first came out doesn't mean everyone does. Kids still love the Pokemon, but how many people within the right age range were even born when the Game Boy Color was the pinnacle of handheld technology?
I'm 26 years old now. I remember when most Nintendo games came out and I still own many of the original copies. But when Super Mario Bros. 2 is rereleased on a current-gen handheld loaded with special features, I'm going to be interested.
And when a game I played a lot 10 years ago is totally remade on a current-gen handheld, I'm going to be interested again! It'll be a different game, with all the experience and progress of the last 10 years of Pokemon games written into it. And it has been 10 years... There are Pokemon fans who weren't born in 1999. And that's scary!!
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Post by Arcadenik on May 15, 2009 6:06:25 GMT -5
Pokemon Gold was my first Pokemon game! But I don't think I'll be picking HeartGold or SoulSilver anytime soon. So, instead I am currently playing Pokemon Emerald.
I was under the impression that remaking games was a lot different from re-releasing a 10 or 20 year old movie on DVD with special features. The latter is just the same old movie (the exact same movie you saw 10 or 20 years ago) only it is probably digitally remastered and now has a menu with special features when you pop it in the DVD. A remake would be a 10 or 20 year old movie redone with new actors and new special effects and maybe a slightly altered story and dialogue. Metroid: Zero Mission and FireRed & LeafGreen seem more like remakes than re-releases with special features. Super Mario Bros. Deluxe and Zelda: ALTTP+FS feel more like re-releases with special features than remakes.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 15, 2009 6:08:04 GMT -5
Ok, so, if I'm not mistaken, what we've decided is we can either have a) A straight remake, thereby making a game thats only new to people that haven't played the original b) A remade remake, so to speak, thereby making a game thats obviously new to people who didn't play the original but also new to people who did. So which is the better option? It seems so painfully obvious I don't know why we are even discussing it. Oh yeah, because somebody finds the need to "Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" |
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 15, 2009 7:39:02 GMT -5
Just to expand on Excitepants' point (insert Todd)... I use the following criteria:
1. Re-releases. Straight (or close enough) ports of the original games. This includes: Famicom Mini, Virtual Console, etc. etc. ad infinitum until you own 10 copies of Super Mario Bros. Akin to buying a DVD release of a classic movie with no special features.
2. Remakes. The original game with a significant amount of new content. The SM All-Stars, SMB Deluxe and the SM Advance series are all good example of this. The levels and mechanics are the same, but there's updated graphics and a small handful of new junk thrown in. Akin to buying a DVD of a classic movie with all-new special features.
3. Reimaginings. A completely new-build game based on the original game. Brings it completely up-to-date with new mechanics, contemporary gameplay, graphical overhauls and so on. Examples include Pokemon FR/LG-HG/SS, Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and Metroid Zero Mission. Akin to buying a DVD reimagining of a classic, and likely to contain just as many in-jokes (note: Fry cannot be held liable if you buy a reimagining of a classic and it's utter bollocks).
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Post by kirbychu on May 15, 2009 7:41:14 GMT -5
The game didn't have that many changes, it had better graphics/sound, and a save function. Oh, and Yoshi Egg hunt. That's about it. Are you just talking about the first Mario Advance? I didn't play that one. I don't know anybody who did, so I have no idea what was changed. The other Mario Advance games that I played, though, had extra stages, story scenes, minigames, and a full remake of the original Mario Bros. thrown in. |
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 15, 2009 8:19:39 GMT -5
Super Mario Advance had new items, new enemies (giant versions of original enemies), a couple of new areas (the jars were almost all completely changed), a new boss (Robirdo), the Ace Coin challenge, an unlockable Yoshi's Egg challenge, Mario Bros. Classic (as the other SM Advance games had), and a small handful of other changes, I'm sure.
So yes, it actually had quite a few changes. It was still clearly Super Mario Bros. 2, but there was a lot of junk in there that hadn't been in any previous version.
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Post by TV Eye on May 15, 2009 10:03:42 GMT -5
Don't forget voice acting!
SM Advance had loads of voices thrown in. They actually sounded good too on the GBA.
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