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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 23, 2009 16:17:26 GMT -5
And, before anyone says further about the whole "family" thing, the Koopalings aren't said to be Bowser's kids in any way within the games. And things look like they aren't Bowser's kids this time as well. Partially true... The Japanese Wikipedia article for the Koopa Family has been updated to confirm that the Koopa Kids are Bowser's children in New Super Mario Bros Wii. Once again, Japan is taking on the US's lead on these seven characters  |
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 23, 2009 16:39:34 GMT -5
I've always figured since they were called "Ko-Kuppa" (which means Little Koopa) in Japan, that implied some sort of direct relationship to Bowser, since he's called Koopa there and anything else Koopa-related is usually called kame (which means turtle).
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 23, 2009 17:02:59 GMT -5
Partially true... The Japanese Wikipedia article for the Koopa Family has been updated to confirm that the Koopa Kids are Bowser's children in New Super Mario Bros Wii. Once again, Japan is taking on the US's lead on these seven characters Where? "さらに『マリオ&ルイージRPG』に登場したク ッパの手下達、コクッパ7人衆も 登場することが確認され ている。" - Wikipedia on New Super Mario Bros Wii " (M&L's) 6年後の『New スーパーマリオブラザーズ Wii』では遂にアクションゲーム作 品へ復帰してクッパ Jr.とも競演することとなった。... 『ブラザーズ3』のリメイクであ る『スーパーマリオアドバンス4 』 の取扱説明書では部下と書かれてお り、クッパとの関係が曖昧になっている。" - Wikipedia on Koopalings Geez, it stilil says nothing about the relationship being CONFIRMED IN GAME. Rather, SMA4 makes the whole relationship with Bowser thing being more ambuiguous. Also, "クッパの子供達。" CITATION NEEDED, PAL! |
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 23, 2009 17:03:45 GMT -5
In actuality, the namesake of the "Koopa" is derived from the Japanese folklore sea monster, the Kappa (hence, "Kuppa"). Close to a turtle, at that.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 23, 2009 17:21:23 GMT -5
In actuality, the namesake of the "Koopa" is derived from the Japanese folklore sea monster, the Kappa (hence, "Kuppa"). What are you even talking about? Man-Frog meant the name "コクッパ" / "Koopaling", thus "コ + クッパ" / "Koopa + ling", indicate that they are "little Bowsers" or "kid Bowsers" and that would mean they are related to Bowser. Although I'd day it's just an "in-general" name to indicate their species. Also, according to Mario Wiki, Bowser's Japanese name comes from one of the several proposed names, all of which are Korean dishes. It isn't even related to the kappa in the first place. My, so how long could these urban legends stay? First the "incest in FE8 is true" thing and now this... |
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Post by Fryguy64 on Oct 23, 2009 19:33:30 GMT -5
The Ko-Koopa just means "child Koopa" (Bowser's Japanese name) and doesn't insinuate any kind of parent-child relationship. This has remained the case in Japan to this day. But this is a very complex subject... so let's do a...
History lesson:
October 1988
Super Mario Bros. 3 released in Japan. The Ko-Koopa do not have names. Miyamoto states that the Ko-Koopa have been modelled after members of the SMB3 development team.
February 1990
Super Mario Bros. 3 released in the US. The Ko-Koopa have been renamed the Koopa Kids, and are stated in the manual to be Bowser's children. They are given individual names based on various celebrities (Larry Koopa, Morton Koopa Jr., Wendy O' Koopa, Iggy Koopa, Roy Koopa, Lemmy Koopa, Ludwig Von Koopa).
September 1990
Captain N and the Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 TV series is released in the US. The Koopa Kids are known more frequently as "Koopalings" and given different individual names to those in the game (Cheatsy, Bigmouth, Cutesy, Hip, Bully, Hop, Kooky). This is believed to be because the scripts were completed before NoA named the Koopa Kids officially.
November 1990
Super Mario World is released, and Japan adopts the first names of the Koopa Kids only (Larry, Morton, Wendy, Iggy, Roy, Lemmy, Ludwig), but doesn't confirm whether or not they are Koopa's children. The "end of level" notices are largely general and don't offer any insight into the "official" (non-cartoon) personalities of the Kids.
August 1991
Super Mario World released in the US. The end-of-level messages mention the personalities of the Koopa Kids (Iggy is insane, Ludwig is a musician, etc.)
July 1993
The Koopa Kids appear in Yoshi's Safari for the first time in-game in the style of their official artwork.
November 2003
Over 10 years later, the Koopa Kids appear again as bosses in Bowser's castle in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga. They again appear as their official artwork suggested. While many attack in expected ways, it is believed that Larry's tennis-based attacks is Japanese word play (Larry = Rally)
Post-October 2005
It is revealed via hacking that the Koopa Kids were planned to be bosses in Super Princess Peach with more animations than they have ever had before. They were replaced by other bosses.
Today
New Super Mario Bros. Wii is revealed to feature the Koopa Kids in their most involved role to date, as both standard mid-boss battles in each world. as well as powered-up bosses at the end of each world. It is the first time they join Bowser Jr. (the first confirmed Bowser child in Japan circa Super Mario Sunshine), and the first time they have voices. It is suggested that even in Japan they may be confirmed as Bowser's children now.
And so we wait until next month to see how the Koopa Kids have evolved.
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 23, 2009 19:35:00 GMT -5
Urban legend? It's a story element that doesn't matter in the long run.  And if the name Ko-Kuppa is just used as a species name, does that mean there's supposed to be an entire species of miniature Bowsers? Suddenly those "Koopa Kids"" in Mario Party make more sense.  |
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Post by Koopaul on Oct 23, 2009 21:02:56 GMT -5
If only we had a friend from Japan. Imagine all the answers we could get!
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Post by Boo Destroyer on Oct 23, 2009 21:21:28 GMT -5
It was "Kootie Pie" in the cartoon, not "Cutesy".
Also to throw out there (in response to the "not officially named" part) is that not all things in games are properly named. A lot of them are, but some just aren't for unknown reasons.
A few examples of this are many of the Wario Land and World enemies (At least they tried on naming most Wario World enemies, but others...), the Turtle from Zelda Majora's Mask (Melee's trophy calling it simply a "Turtle"), and the "Hocotate Ship" from Pikmin 2 (Brawl calls it this in a trophy).
It happens sometimes.
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 24, 2009 4:34:58 GMT -5
It is suggested that even in Japan they may be confirmed as Bowser's children now. |
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Post by Grandy02 on Oct 24, 2009 5:05:33 GMT -5
In actuality, the namesake of the "Koopa" is derived from the Japanese folklore sea monster, the Kappa (hence, "Kuppa"). Close to a turtle, at that. Thanks to this interview (part 4) plus the old interview that confirmed the Korean dish name, the kappa thing should finally have an end. Bowser is inspired by this guy on the left and a turtle:  If only we had a friend from Japan. Imagine all the answers we could get! True. As I said in another topic, Western and Japanese Nintendo communities should stop isolating from each other. A few examples of this are many of the Wario Land enemies... I think almost every Wario Land enemy has a proper name in Japan. At least that's what Japanese Wikipedia and fansites suggest, and there have been official guide books for every Wario Land but the Virtual Boy one in Japan. |
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Post by Dasher Misire on Oct 24, 2009 6:10:20 GMT -5
I always thought the Koopa Kids getting their English names used in Japan was a great step for internationality of Nintendo.
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Post by Grandy02 on Oct 24, 2009 6:37:37 GMT -5
I always thought the Koopa Kids getting their English names used in Japan was a great step for internationality of Nintendo. Giving new main characters of more recent Mario games four or more different names around the world, such as Fawful, Count Bleck, and Rosalina, is a step against internationality. Same goes for the many names of Pokémon characters (with a few exceptions such as Pikachu and the most legendary ones). |
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Post by nocturnal YL on Oct 24, 2009 8:32:03 GMT -5
Mario series still mostly gets its influences from the west.
For example, Paper Mario wans'e even caled so in Japan, but since the second game, Japan suddenly called the series "Paper Mario". And not to mention the very names of Mario and Luigi...
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Post by Manspeed on Oct 24, 2009 10:54:14 GMT -5
Gotta consider that Mario himself is a character with international appeal. His design heavily draws from timeless Americana, almost akin to Mickey Mouse.
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