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Post by Shrikeswind on May 25, 2010 21:14:40 GMT -5
Okay, I was posting, but I got a "Sorry, the Internet wants to be a bitch" thing, so I lost my post, and because I don't wanna explain it again just yet, I'm just gonna say the characters and not the reasoning. Please ask, however. Oh, and I won't mention characters you already mentioned, Underwear. And I'm only using Mario and Zelda.
Mario: Princess Daisy and Koopa Troopa.
Zelda: Vaati, Midna, Impa, and Skull Kid.
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 25, 2010 21:34:36 GMT -5
ah, so your 'main characters' from a series are made up of characters that were a 'main character' in one game? Well then you could easily, easily break the 8 barrier.
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 25, 2010 22:03:09 GMT -5
Actually, no. I just got too damn lazy to rewrite the entire explanation again. But, since you insist (through assumption,) I shall explain.
Princess Daisy's importance isn't exactly huge, however, she'd be the best representative of the spin-offs, but since the spin-offs are more or less canned Mario, you can't exactly split the spin-offs from the main series.
Koopa Troopa is based on the fact that when most people think of Mario they think of a plumber jumping on turtles. And getting high on shrooms. Possibly at the same time.
Impa had the benefit of consistantly being a major player in the series since the original Legend of Zelda, being the true catalyst for our first trip to Hyrule. She later was seen as directing Link on in Zelda 2. Her majority in Ocarina of Time is established. After this, she suffers a bit of a blow in that she doesn't have this kind of illumination again, as she appears in the Oracle series as just another person to help, albeit Zelda's nursemaid, and in Twilight Princess, the character to bear her name only takes part in one part of a subplot that felt really shoehorned. However, due to her past importance, Impa has garnered her spot.
Midna's there for popularity.
Skull Kid is there based on the fact that he's such a memorable character. He may not be as well-known as Midna, but his name is that name that, if you know it, then you know EXACTLY who you're dealing with. His infamy was so great he was worthy of inclusion on that list.
Vaati is there because, other than Ganon/dorf, Vaati's the only recurring main villain in the Legend of Zelda series.
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Post by Manspeed on May 25, 2010 22:38:26 GMT -5
Once again, I am deeply confused at what the hell Shrike is trying to say.  |
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Post by Shadrio on May 25, 2010 22:44:01 GMT -5
Wait... what?
Waluigi represents spinoffs much more than Daisy, as Waluigi was born from the necesity of having a partner for Wario for Mario Tennis, and he hasn't appeared in a main Mario Game ONCE, while Daisy was in the original Mario Land. And that still hasn't won him a spot for "Main Mario Character", since you can't consider the "Spinoffs" something from the Main series... because it is a SPINOFF.
Koopa? Wtf? Then Goomba, Boo, Pokey and all those things Mario destroys would be main characters, not even going to continue with that...
So, according to what you said about Impa, then she's on the same level of importance as the 7 Koopa Kids from Mario, who aren't Main.
Midna and Skull Kid are WAY less memorable than Navi, who was your annoying pest of a friend in OoT and the "friend" (Young) Link was looking for in Majora's Mask. I think it is also clear that Navi is not a main character, either. Just because a character is memorable doesn't mean it deserves to be a main character.
As for Vaati... he has the same type of fans as Waluigi has... people who support the underdog. Even though he has been villian more than once, he will never leave an impact as big as Ganon(dorf). He's in the same league of "main character"-dom as Zant and Agahnim.
Seriously, though, if I were a Boomer... I wouldn't even Bile on this thread, it already beats itself to death... I hate senseless threads...
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Post by TrustTheFungus on May 25, 2010 23:09:10 GMT -5
The numbers are bad!
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Post by TV Eye on May 26, 2010 0:15:05 GMT -5
Are you guys still going at it? I thought this topic was a joke.
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 26, 2010 0:26:31 GMT -5
Oi. We're discussing arguments as if I had intended them to be discussed. I'll roll with it, but let it be known that the entire concept, repeat, the ENTIRE concept was based on where the end of the line comes from. Look, my way, it'd actually be exactly what Underpants says and there'd be no room for debate on the issue, but fact is these are the characters most debatable. As evidenced by what's happening right now. Now hold on, the Stupid Cap's coming on. Waluigi represents spinoffs much more than Daisy, as Waluigi was born from the necesity of having a partner for Wario for Mario Tennis, and he hasn't appeared in a main Mario Game ONCE, while Daisy was in the original Mario Land. And that still hasn't won him a spot for "Main Mario Character", since you can't consider the "Spinoffs" something from the Main series... because it is a SPINOFF. As Waluigi tends to follow Wario around, however, we reach a roadblock. That's why I say Daisy as opposed to Waluigi. With regards to Koopa it all comes down to symbolism. Goombas, Boos, Pokeys, etc. don't have the symbolic feel of an anti-thesis that a Koopa does to Mario. Bowser's army's the Koopa Troop for a reason there. Except that Impa's a single person and not a group. What makes Navi more memorable is the fact that Navi screams 'HEY, LINK, LISTEN" every five seconds. What makes Midna memorable is that she's a major part of the story and possibly a love-interest for Link and what makes Skull Kid memorable comes right down to what he did. Tell me, if you know, what memorable feat Gavrilo Princip did, and imagine if he did it in the view of the world, and you'll know EXACTLY why Skull Kid's so memorable. Well, that coupled with the ridiculous antics of the Mask he wore. But his recurrance already tips him beyond Zant and Agahnim. STUPID CAP OFF. But you're all right, of course. On another note, I must say I am a bit impressed that I remembered Gavrilo Princip while wearing the Stupid Cap. I think I need to get it fixed. |
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Post by Johans Nidorino on May 26, 2010 1:45:39 GMT -5
Lark or no lark, DiU's request for explanation or not, this "example" you've been throwing since your first post isn't a video game example of the number 8 at all, Shrikeswind.
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Post by Shrikeswind on May 26, 2010 2:09:52 GMT -5
Sh! They're not supposed to know that! *Looks around.* I know they're watching....
Alright, seriously. I will cease this mindless prattle.
Hey guys! How many Kongs are in Barrel Blast? 8! How many Kremlings? Again I say it. 8! (How many in total? Er...16, but they're not supposed to know that. *Looks around.* I KNOW YOU'RE WATCHING!)
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Post by Dances in Undergarments on May 26, 2010 3:50:45 GMT -5
As others have pointed out, those 'main' characters are all over the place, and the justification of why Daisy is a 'main' character and Waluigi is not, or whatever, is stupid. Just like the 8 theory that was originally here.
Now, who wants to discuss Mario canon?Then we can put all crackpot theories in here.
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Post by The Qu on May 26, 2010 4:01:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the Mario "canon" is a fun thing to discuss, as long as you don't take it to seriously. The post-SMW games fit together in surprising ways sometimes- almost always after the fact.
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Post by Fryguy64 on May 26, 2010 10:54:20 GMT -5
I think this has all just gone mental.
Shrikeswind, I'm so glad you decided to abandon that nonsense above. There was no real justification for choosing a Koopa Troopa over a Goomba as "symbolic" of Mario enemies, any more than there was of your other points. You were dangerously close to sounding insane.
Regardless, this is a thing with the Number 8, but it's not as prevalent as has been made out. 2D Mario games usually (but not always) have 8 worlds, and the first 3 Mario Kart games had 8 characters in their playable rosters. There are 8 starting characters in SSB, and 8 Gym Leaders in the Pokemon series before you face the Elite Four. There are Eight Melodies in Mother.
But why is this the case? We can't say. It's not such a huge thing, it's not everywhere, and I'm sure someone could equally make a case for other numbers too...
As for turning this into a crackpot Mario theories thread... Oh Sweet Baby Jesus no! But I reckon it'll happen anyway, so I'll start...
Princess Peach is a transvestite. Discuss.
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Post by Manspeed on May 26, 2010 12:04:28 GMT -5
Hey waitasec? I made a thread for discussing Mario fanon some time ago, and it just sort of drifted off.  But as for Peach being a transvestite, I'm gonna have to call no. Her voice is waaaay too high-pitched and she lacks an Adam's apple. While I'm at it, what the hell is the basis for that theory outside of wanting to come up with something as inane as possible? |
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Post by Nester the Lark on May 26, 2010 12:22:37 GMT -5
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